Skeet shotgun advice
- Thread starter greg burgess
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I switch my barrels all the time on my M12's , don't know where the gunsmithing problem is. The biggest treouble with the M12 is it is a pump action.
I like them, most prefer either an auto or an O/U for skeet however.
Greg,if you already have a M12 and want to use it however, a rib job
can be done a lot cheaper than buying another gun
But there are some good deals out there on skeet guns at the moment for O/U's for sure.
Cat
Just because your barrels fit, doesn't mean they ALL will. I have seen some that have problems ejecting after an attempted switch. Look at the NSSA shooters, and see if you see any M-12's. They were popular in the 50's & 60's, but not so much now. Most shooters use full length tubes in an O/U for multiple guage events, which is a big part of skeet shooting.
" kirbythegunsmith
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: re: Model 12 barrel replacement
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A Model-12 barrel should not be expected to just drop in place, and one that does happen to get close to snug with the adjusting ring that may be present should be considered as a fortunate coincidence.
The chamber alignment will be another part of the equation that needs to be verified as not being too far off to allow proper shell fit for the feed and extraction cycles.
The barrel will probably need to be fit to the frame but doesn't require fitting to the extension like the original posting subject. A shooter gun doesn't necessarily need matching numbers on the extension, and there may not be numbers present on a few barrel extensions out there. Numbers were typically stamped at the factory and service centers when installing a replacement or extra barrel.
Proper fitting of the barrel will be best accomplished with the tools mentioned, so if you want a proper fit, give me a call or speak to another Winchester experienced gunsmith that has the same tools available. "
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: re: Model 12 barrel replacement
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A Model-12 barrel should not be expected to just drop in place, and one that does happen to get close to snug with the adjusting ring that may be present should be considered as a fortunate coincidence.
The chamber alignment will be another part of the equation that needs to be verified as not being too far off to allow proper shell fit for the feed and extraction cycles.
The barrel will probably need to be fit to the frame but doesn't require fitting to the extension like the original posting subject. A shooter gun doesn't necessarily need matching numbers on the extension, and there may not be numbers present on a few barrel extensions out there. Numbers were typically stamped at the factory and service centers when installing a replacement or extra barrel.
Proper fitting of the barrel will be best accomplished with the tools mentioned, so if you want a proper fit, give me a call or speak to another Winchester experienced gunsmith that has the same tools available. "
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I think you would have a tough time finding anybody shooting AA in NSSA these days with a pump!
I have never experienced a problem with any of the 5 M12's I have owned switching barrels - I must be real lucky i guess....
Cat
You mean the Superposed?
beretta boy
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Barney wasn't a big fan of the 1100's ( although D.Lee Braun liked them) ... he preferred the balance and a few other minor attributes of the 58's better. His Superposed was a 20 with 28ga, tubes, and the 410 a Model 42 with a
Sedleckey over-barrel. His 42 is now in a buddies hands ... fully restored, re-stocked and with Barney's signature ( Barney said "O.K.") inlaid in gold into the receiver. Yup, still more than a few Hartman fans around - (and Barney seemed quite impressed with the old 42 when he saw it all redone) Had the privilege of shooting with him a few times, as well as lots of conversation - and of shooting his "No. 1" 58 while he shot mine ... A real gentleman, superb coach and one of the Industry greats.
Sedleckey over-barrel. His 42 is now in a buddies hands ... fully restored, re-stocked and with Barney's signature ( Barney said "O.K.") inlaid in gold into the receiver. Yup, still more than a few Hartman fans around - (and Barney seemed quite impressed with the old 42 when he saw it all redone) Had the privilege of shooting with him a few times, as well as lots of conversation - and of shooting his "No. 1" 58 while he shot mine ... A real gentleman, superb coach and one of the Industry greats.
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man has been on the moon since the pump gun......keep the pump for shootin squirrels at the camp. Do yourself a favor start with a over under and stick with it , you can concentrate on breaking birds instead or speed records trying to pump up another shell!
beretta boy
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Man has been on the moon since the development of virtually every type of shotgun action/lock/barrel development with perhaps the exception of the internal interchangeable choke and the Beretta UGB25 Xcel.
So what ? Dinosaurs are extinct and ice cream has no bones !
"Round the Clock" shooting from a "High" and "Low" House at 21 yards, which subsequently transformed into "Skeet" pretty much as we now know it, was originally devised by a group of New England grouse & woodcock hunters to hone their Upland shooting skills with their SxS doubles.
SxS doubles were at first in vogue as Skeet guns ... closely followed by pumps, mainly Model 12 & 42's - which seemed to dominate through to the mid-50's. By the 60's, the Remington autoloaders, up to and including the Model 1100 was perhaps the Skeet gun of choice. O/U doubles seemed to take hold in the 70's and were certainly dominant in the 80's ... at the top level, with "4-Barrel sets". "Tube sets", including carrier barells for the smaller gauges became the vogue in the 90's and have remained.
For recreation, shoot what you like.
To compete at the upper atmosphere, today it is most likely a Kreighoff, Kolar, Perazzi, or Beretta with interchangeable gauge tubes, mostly Kolar or Briley - and increasingly more so, the 12 gauge event is being shot with the 20 ga. tubes. Barrel length has also been increasing over the years... O/U's were predominantly 26" & occassionally 28's, then almost all 28's, now 30's seem to predominate and even 32's are showing up.
If you're not competing, choose whatever suits ya !
So what ? Dinosaurs are extinct and ice cream has no bones !
"Round the Clock" shooting from a "High" and "Low" House at 21 yards, which subsequently transformed into "Skeet" pretty much as we now know it, was originally devised by a group of New England grouse & woodcock hunters to hone their Upland shooting skills with their SxS doubles.
SxS doubles were at first in vogue as Skeet guns ... closely followed by pumps, mainly Model 12 & 42's - which seemed to dominate through to the mid-50's. By the 60's, the Remington autoloaders, up to and including the Model 1100 was perhaps the Skeet gun of choice. O/U doubles seemed to take hold in the 70's and were certainly dominant in the 80's ... at the top level, with "4-Barrel sets". "Tube sets", including carrier barells for the smaller gauges became the vogue in the 90's and have remained.
For recreation, shoot what you like.
To compete at the upper atmosphere, today it is most likely a Kreighoff, Kolar, Perazzi, or Beretta with interchangeable gauge tubes, mostly Kolar or Briley - and increasingly more so, the 12 gauge event is being shot with the 20 ga. tubes. Barrel length has also been increasing over the years... O/U's were predominantly 26" & occassionally 28's, then almost all 28's, now 30's seem to predominate and even 32's are showing up.
If you're not competing, choose whatever suits ya !
I have a model twelve with the polychoke on it and love it. Shoot both trap and skeet with it. By the end of the year I was scoring 22 and 23. I just shoot at my gun club for fun. I like the polychoke because you can go to improved cyclinder to modified in just a couble of clicks.
