skeet shotgun for a 12 year old?

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I've a friend who wants to introduce his 12 year old daughter to skeet, but doesn't know what shotguns he should be looking at.

he's said he's okay to spend upwards of $700 for this.

weight and recoil are obviously of concern for someone this young.

what would you recommend for him to consider, new or used?
 
Were it me starting a younger, smaller framed person out, a used 1100 20 ga, 26" barrel. (I'd even go with a 28 ga & 25" barrel). Pick up an extra butt stock to cut down to her size for LOP. Go straight to station 1 OR 7 and shoot nothing but low house for a box to let her get the feel for the gun and seeing clays. I've started more than a few 1st time new skeet shooters this way.
 
I've recently introduced my daughter to the shotgun....she's 10'years old now and not a very big kid.

We'd been hitting the clay range with her .410 side-by-side and despite having put a tonne of work into getting the gun to fit her (it had an 11 inch LOP when we were finished) and the fact that she was hitting ok at close range, she was getting a bit frustrated. She was death-to-squirrels though and we've been out quite a bit to hunt them so she would have material for her aspiring hunting/cooking show on YouTube, and her success in this department was pretty good.

Then one evening we watched Terminator-2 together. She was fascinated by Sarah Connor's pump gun in the final scene of the movie and wanted to know if she could try mine (a 12 gauge 870). Frankly that idea was kinda scary for me but she was pretty persistent.

So the next day I went and looked at the Mossberg Youth Mini, and the Remington 870 compact Junior. I chose the 870 compact junior based on my perception of how it would fit her with it's 12 inch LOP and the softness of the recoil pad, and I got it to the range to try myself side by side with her .410 to try and imagine what she'd feel. With standard 20ga shells my assessment was that it was going to beat the snot out of her, so I took it home and machined a 12 oz brass weight that I put in the stock. I also bought a couple boxes of Winchester featherlite 7/8oz 900fps target shells, and my perception was that the new combination kicked less than her .410.

She was thrilled when I showed her the new pump gun, and for our first range trip I made sure to bring my 870 along instead of my over/under so we could be pump gun buddies. Hasta-la-vista baby! At the range I let her load two so she can pump the gun which she loves, but when we're hunting I only feed her a single shell when she's all set up on the squirrel.

I'm getting a bit tired of picking a zillion #8 pellets out of her squirrels before we cook them, but I'm going to wait a bit before upgrading her to a more powerful load as we're simply having so much fun now and I'd hate to turn her off her gun.

The 18 inch barrel of the compact junior also turned out to be important...she's small enough that if she uses a 21 inch barrel (we tried the 20 gauge youth model too), the barrel is long enough that it stabs the ground when she holds it at low ready.

The last piece of advice I might offer is to set the youngster up for the highest degree of early success imaginable. When at clay range this means striking a deal with the course operator such that during times of low activity we can move into the course a bit outside the stand and position ourselves so the clays are hanging right in the sweet spot for her or shooting straight away with her standing right beside the trap. Only once she has built confidence in hitting these do we start to move back towards the stand or laterally along the trajectory of the clay. She can now easily hit outgoers and incomers, and we're slowly introducing crossers. If all I had to work with was a skeet field, I'd start at station 7 on the outgoer, then slowly introduce the incomer. After getting some success there, I'd move to station 1. I'd avoid the rest of the field like plague until we were getting good hits on the outside of the field.

Cheers, and i hope your friend has as much fun with his youngster as I'm having with mine!

Brobee


 
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ive recently introduced my daughter to the shotgun....she's 10'years old now and not a very big kid.

We'd been hitting the clay range with her .410 side-by-side and despite having put a tonne of work into getting the gun to fit her (it had an 11 inch LOP when we were finished) and the fact that she was hitting ok at close range, she was getting a bit frustrated. She was death-to-squirrels though and we've been out quite a bit to hunt them so she would have material for her aspiring hunting/cooking show on YouTube, and he success in this department was pretty good.

Then one evening we watched Terminator-2 together. She was fascinated by Sarah Connor's pump gun in the final scene of the movie and wanted to know if she could try mine (a 12 gauge 870). Frankly that idea was kinda scary for me but she was pretty persistent.

So the next day I went and looked at the Mossberg Youth Mini, and the Remington 870 compact Junior. I chose the 870 compact junior based on my perception of how it would fit her with it's 12 inch LOP and the softness of the recoil pad, and I got it to the range to try myself side by side with her .410 to try and imagine what she'd feel. With standard 20ga shells my assessment was that it was going to beat the snot out of her, so I took it home and machined a 12 oz brass weight that I put in the stock. I also bought a couple boxes of Winchester featherlite 7/8oz 900fps target shells, and my perception was that the new combination kicked less than her .410.

She was thrilled when I showed her the new pump gun, and for our first range trip I made sure to bring my 870 along instead of my over/under so we could be pump gun buddies. Hasta-la-vista baby! At the range I let her load two so she can pump the gun which she loves, but when we're hunting I only feed her a single shell when she's all set up on the squirrel.

I'm getting a bit tired of picking a zillion #8 pellets out of her squirrels before we cook them, but I'm going to wait a bit before upgrading her to a more powerful load as we're simply having so much fun now and I'd hate to turn her off her gun.

The 18 inch barrel of the compact junior also turned out to be important...she's small enough that if she uses a 21 inch barrel (we tried the 20 gauge youth model too), the barrel is long enough that it stabs the ground when she holds it at low ready.

The last piece of advice I might offer is to set the youngster up for the highest degree of early success imaginable. When at clay range this means striking a deal with the course operator such that during times of low activity we can move into the course a bit outside the stand and position ourselves so the clays are hanging right in the sweet spot for her or shooting straight away with her standing right beside the trap. Only once she has built confidence in hitting these do we start to move back towards the stand or laterally along the trajectory of the clay. She can now easily hit outgoers and incomers, and we're slowly introducing crossers. If all I had to work with was a skeet field, I'd start at station 7 on the outgoer, then slowly introduce the incomer. After getting some success there, I'd move to station 1. I'd avoid the rest of the field like plague until we were getting good hits on the outside of the field.

Cheers, and i hope your friend has as much fun with his youngster as I'm having with mine!

Brobee





Dam Brobee, she shoots better than me ;)
Thanks for sharing the advice and your childs success.
BTW, kids that learn to shoot, fish , hunt and trap are not the ones mugging people or stealing cars !!!
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
We tried a 20g pump rem 870 youth. But it had to much recoil for my girls. So we went with a semi 20g. Thy both shoot it very well even with duck and goose loads know.mossy sa20.
 
I've recently introduced my daughter to the shotgun....she's 10'years old now and not a very big kid.

We'd been hitting the clay range with her .410 side-by-side and despite having put a tonne of work into getting the gun to fit her (it had an 11 inch LOP when we were finished) and the fact that she was hitting ok at close range, she was getting a bit frustrated. She was death-to-squirrels though and we've been out quite a bit to hunt them so she would have material for her aspiring hunting/cooking show on YouTube, and her success in this department was pretty good.

Then one evening we watched Terminator-2 together. She was fascinated by Sarah Connor's pump gun in the final scene of the movie and wanted to know if she could try mine (a 12 gauge 870). Frankly that idea was kinda scary for me but she was pretty persistent.

So the next day I went and looked at the Mossberg Youth Mini, and the Remington 870 compact Junior. I chose the 870 compact junior based on my perception of how it would fit her with it's 12 inch LOP and the softness of the recoil pad, and I got it to the range to try myself side by side with her .410 to try and imagine what she'd feel. With standard 20ga shells my assessment was that it was going to beat the snot out of her, so I took it home and machined a 12 oz brass weight that I put in the stock. I also bought a couple boxes of Winchester featherlite 7/8oz 900fps target shells, and my perception was that the new combination kicked less than her .410.

She was thrilled when I showed her the new pump gun, and for our first range trip I made sure to bring my 870 along instead of my over/under so we could be pump gun buddies. Hasta-la-vista baby! At the range I let her load two so she can pump the gun which she loves, but when we're hunting I only feed her a single shell when she's all set up on the squirrel.

I'm getting a bit tired of picking a zillion #8 pellets out of her squirrels before we cook them, but I'm going to wait a bit before upgrading her to a more powerful load as we're simply having so much fun now and I'd hate to turn her off her gun.

The 18 inch barrel of the compact junior also turned out to be important...she's small enough that if she uses a 21 inch barrel (we tried the 20 gauge youth model too), the barrel is long enough that it stabs the ground when she holds it at low ready.

The last piece of advice I might offer is to set the youngster up for the highest degree of early success imaginable. When at clay range this means striking a deal with the course operator such that during times of low activity we can move into the course a bit outside the stand and position ourselves so the clays are hanging right in the sweet spot for her or shooting straight away with her standing right beside the trap. Only once she has built confidence in hitting these do we start to move back towards the stand or laterally along the trajectory of the clay. She can now easily hit outgoers and incomers, and we're slowly introducing crossers. If all I had to work with was a skeet field, I'd start at station 7 on the outgoer, then slowly introduce the incomer. After getting some success there, I'd move to station 1. I'd avoid the rest of the field like plague until we were getting good hits on the outside of the field.

Cheers, and i hope your friend has as much fun with his youngster as I'm having with mine!

Brobee



Man, that is one of the best videos I have seen in a while. Having a 6 year old girl, seeing yours enjoying shooting almost brings a tear to my eye. I can only hope she shows half the interest.
 
I've recently introduced my daughter to the shotgun....she's 10'years old now and not a very big kid.

We'd been hitting the clay range with her .410 side-by-side and despite having put a tonne of work into getting the gun to fit her (it had an 11 inch LOP when we were finished) and the fact that she was hitting ok at close range, she was getting a bit frustrated. She was death-to-squirrels though and we've been out quite a bit to hunt them so she would have material for her aspiring hunting/cooking show on YouTube, and her success in this department was pretty good.

Then one evening we watched Terminator-2 together. She was fascinated by Sarah Connor's pump gun in the final scene of the movie and wanted to know if she could try mine (a 12 gauge 870). Frankly that idea was kinda scary for me but she was pretty persistent.

So the next day I went and looked at the Mossberg Youth Mini, and the Remington 870 compact Junior. I chose the 870 compact junior based on my perception of how it would fit her with it's 12 inch LOP and the softness of the recoil pad, and I got it to the range to try myself side by side with her .410 to try and imagine what she'd feel. With standard 20ga shells my assessment was that it was going to beat the snot out of her, so I took it home and machined a 12 oz brass weight that I put in the stock. I also bought a couple boxes of Winchester featherlite 7/8oz 900fps target shells, and my perception was that the new combination kicked less than her .410.

She was thrilled when I showed her the new pump gun, and for our first range trip I made sure to bring my 870 along instead of my over/under so we could be pump gun buddies. Hasta-la-vista baby! At the range I let her load two so she can pump the gun which she loves, but when we're hunting I only feed her a single shell when she's all set up on the squirrel.

I'm getting a bit tired of picking a zillion #8 pellets out of her squirrels before we cook them, but I'm going to wait a bit before upgrading her to a more powerful load as we're simply having so much fun now and I'd hate to turn her off her gun.

The 18 inch barrel of the compact junior also turned out to be important...she's small enough that if she uses a 21 inch barrel (we tried the 20 gauge youth model too), the barrel is long enough that it stabs the ground when she holds it at low ready.

The last piece of advice I might offer is to set the youngster up for the highest degree of early success imaginable. When at clay range this means striking a deal with the course operator such that during times of low activity we can move into the course a bit outside the stand and position ourselves so the clays are hanging right in the sweet spot for her or shooting straight away with her standing right beside the trap. Only once she has built confidence in hitting these do we start to move back towards the stand or laterally along the trajectory of the clay. She can now easily hit outgoers and incomers, and we're slowly introducing crossers. If all I had to work with was a skeet field, I'd start at station 7 on the outgoer, then slowly introduce the incomer. After getting some success there, I'd move to station 1. I'd avoid the rest of the field like plague until we were getting good hits on the outside of the field.

Cheers, and i hope your friend has as much fun with his youngster as I'm having with mine!

Brobee



Wow what an awesome post. Love the shake and bake squirrel. Great to get kids involved early in life. As for getting kids use to shooting I started at station 7 shooting the low house. I think it is the best way to start lets the kids have success.
 
Were it me starting a younger, smaller framed person out, a used 1100 20 ga, 26" barrel. (I'd even go with a 28 ga & 25" barrel). Pick up an extra butt stock to cut down to her size for LOP. Go straight to station 1 OR 7 and shoot nothing but low house for a box to let her get the feel for the gun and seeing clays. I've started more than a few 1st time new skeet shooters this way.

Agree 100%
Cheers
 
Yes if you are a reloader but real expensive if you are not. That is what my girls used when young 1100's in 28ga but again I was rolling them
Cheers

Factory 28 gauge loads can be had at decent prices,sometimes you have to shop around some to find them,but the are there.There is no better shotgun to start a young light shooter off with than a 28 gauge in my opinion.
 
Factory 28 gauge loads can be had at decent prices,sometimes you have to shop around some to find them,but the are there.There is no better shotgun to start a young light shooter off with than a 28 gauge in my opinion.

It is not just the shells that cost more... the upfront cost of the 28 gauge will add $200-$300 over the same gun in 20 gauge.

I think an 1100 in 20 gauge is a perfect starter... just choose the lightest target loads available and make sure the stock fits... the 1100 is a soft recoiling gun.
 
Price the rounds first 20ga vs 28ga if you have to buy factory the 28ga is expensive probally over double for shells . The 20ga won't break the bank.
Just my opinion
Cheers

Not double. or even close. I have been paying from $70 to $80 per flat for 20 gauge target loads, and $90 to $115 at most for 28 gauge target loads.
 
If you know someone in Ontario who can get it (they may ship?) I was in the Cabelas in Barrie today and they have a SKB XL, not sure what model exactly, looked like the Ithaca M900, black sides and deep engraving. Short barrel, fixed skeet choke.

They want 299$. I am trying to find a reason to buy another shotgun!

C
 
Not double. or even close. I have been paying from $70 to $80 per flat for 20 gauge target loads, and $90 to $115 at most for 28 gauge target loads.

All depends where you live in this country. They are on sale now here per flat. So not double but a lot more IMO that has to be considered for many that use 1000's of rounds a year. Like I said I don't buy factory so kill me that I was off a bit.
CHALLENGER TARGET LOAD 20ga 7/8oz #7.5 & #8 $8.49 per box $64.99 per case SALE PRICE
CHALLENGER TARGET LOAD 28ga 3/4oz #8 & #9 $12.99 per box $99.99 per case SALE PRICE
 
Not to hi-jack, but how does the 1100 compare to the A-5's in 12 gauge for recoil?
I know for a fact the old 870 in 20 here kicks more than my A-2 12 Lightweight.
Did some clays a few weeks back and the Browning was pretty easy on light load shells.
The 20 I was using trap loads too.
 
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