Skeet with a SxS
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I seen a guy, well known out in these parts shoot 300 straight registered with a remmy 870 with a hacked barrel. Made the hooti-tooti Kolar, Krieghoff princesses that usually prance around the field bragging about their guns look like the pussies they really are, it was priceless
Yes and I sat in the crowd at the 100th Grand American in '99 watching Tom Knapp trying to beat Herb Parson's then still held record of 7 shots breaking 7 hand thrown clay targets. It took Knapp about 20 attempts to tie the 7 record that night before he finally broke 8 with 8 shots at which point somebody in the crowd yelled out "that's just great but what's your average at 27 yards?" The crowd erupted with laughter. It was truly a funny moment.
And I never knew hooti-tooti Krieghoff and Kolar shooters were princesses and pussies? Hmmmm? Thank god I am a Rizzini shooter. We are not princesses or pussies but then we aren't Wingmaster material either. We are a little lower socially yet(insert sarcasm here)but working on it......
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Pay no mind to those who are embittered that other people have nicer stuff than they do.
All they can do is post BS stories how people with nice guns were outscored by someone with a Cooey/Remington/Mossberg. They always come up short on details when asked. An over-active imagination will do that sometimes.
I have shot with people that owned high end Kreighoff and Perazzi guns, but with one notable exception, an arrogant ass that shot a Kreighoff, and shot international skeet, they were quite sociable, and it was enjoyable shooting with them. For the most part, the few people that acted as if they had something to prove, were newer shooters, shooting low end guns, whose primary goal seemed to be trying to prove that their guns were as good as the higher end guns being used by other shooters.
Well, I guess that means when I grow up I aspire to be a princess and a pussy !!!!!!
I do remember going to a club with an 1100 and a few of the old boys looked down their noses at me because I didn't have an Italian O/U. I didn't let it bother me then and now that I do have an Italian (and several other) O/U's I don't feel any more special than when I shot with the Remington ! I wonder if my guns are defective ?
I've shot (and still do) with guys whose scores put mine to shame, some of them use high end guns and others use run of the mill Remington/Browning guns and not one of them has ever acted like an ass (or princess or pussy) towards me.
Maybe Taylor Swift is right: haters gonna hate, hate, hate
I do remember going to a club with an 1100 and a few of the old boys looked down their noses at me because I didn't have an Italian O/U. I didn't let it bother me then and now that I do have an Italian (and several other) O/U's I don't feel any more special than when I shot with the Remington ! I wonder if my guns are defective ?
I've shot (and still do) with guys whose scores put mine to shame, some of them use high end guns and others use run of the mill Remington/Browning guns and not one of them has ever acted like an ass (or princess or pussy) towards me.
Maybe Taylor Swift is right: haters gonna hate, hate, hate
I remember the time I used my 20 gauge 870 to beat a guy with a Perazzi. All that money on a fancy gun and I stomped him hard with a used pump gun. Ain't I just awesome.
Then there was the time I got beat shooting my Perazzi by a guy shooting, you guessed it, a 20 gauge 870. The shock, the horror. Why spend all that money when a pump gun is just as good?
In both cases I was the shooter. Both guns were mine. On the same night too.
The target doesn't know how expensive your gun is only whether the pellets hit. If beating a guy with a more expensive gun makes some underachiever feel all puffed up and proud good for him. That's a pretty small thing to proud of much less bragging about on the Internet.
Then there was the time I got beat shooting my Perazzi by a guy shooting, you guessed it, a 20 gauge 870. The shock, the horror. Why spend all that money when a pump gun is just as good?
In both cases I was the shooter. Both guns were mine. On the same night too.
The target doesn't know how expensive your gun is only whether the pellets hit. If beating a guy with a more expensive gun makes some underachiever feel all puffed up and proud good for him. That's a pretty small thing to proud of much less bragging about on the Internet.
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Claybuster; Nicely put, whereas target models are built for that purpose and in some cases priced accordingly, alot of us start off with a field gun, then eventually migrate to a target model. I have 4 shotguns; a .410 SXS that was my fathers(I do not shoot it well, I never saw him miss a grouse with it), a Baikal IJ-58M 12ga(M/F), an Akkar Churchill 206 Silver Hunter(my primary "target" gun) and a Benelli Nova. I shoot the Nova best, the Akkar nearly as well, the Baikal is my field gun. I will probably/may'be upgrade the Akkar is a few years should it cause me issues, but to date have seen no reason to do so. The Nova is the oddball, I don't shoot it in competition, but generally speaking in practice I'm up a target per round over the Akkar, when I shoot competition with the Akkar, I shoot the same average as I do with the Nova in practise. Figure it's psychological thing more than anything else. I have more fun shooting the Nova.
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I shoot a lot of skeet and some trap, but all my skeet is done with field guns, I don't own a skeet gun anymore as I use skeet to keep in tune for hunting.
I do have a few trap guns, but shoot my field guns more than the trap models for the same reason.
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I have always maintained to new shooters "shoot what you have". We all started off that way. I wasn't born with a Perazzi or Boss in my hand. I shot what I could afford and still do. I have always wanted to own a better made gun as I've gone along in the sport and as I have been able to afford so do so. I still do not have a Perazzi or Boss but I do not look down on those who do nor those who have something of a lesser grade than my current firearm. And lower end or higher end, field or target grade, if they don't fit, you wont hit!!
I sure can't see looking down on someone if they have a great shotgun. I don't feel more joy if I get a better score than them either. But I have wondered about something for a number of years. If it is off topic I apologize, but I have believed that it is far more important for a person who is learning a shooting sport to have a very good firearm and one that fits well than for just about anyone else. As silly as it might sound I think it is possible that they will learn to shoot well far more easily and more quickly because their errors will be shooting errors rather than errors related to ammo or the firearm and they will experience more success early too. So, their motivation will likely be better. It is probably true, of course, that they won't necessarily appreciate the firearm as much as a person who has shot a lot. I first ran into this discussion when attending a course on firearm instruction many years ago where the class generally felt it was ok to give students learning to shoot 22 fairly mediocre ammo and relatively inexpensive firearms "...because they didn't shoot well enough to see the difference anyway...". I kind of agreed at the time, but the more I thought about it the more I felt it came down to expense rather than what was actually best for the beginner.
I agree with you BCFred, I have started out many beginners by setting them up with my fully tuned equipment and loads and the best instructions I can manage, they shoot great. They dont gain an appreciation for those advantages till they start aquiring there own gear and try it without constant correction on form errors and suddenly they cant hit, but at least they know what is possible.
In shotgunning a gun that fits is a tremendous advantage, no matter the price tag on it. Price buys reliability and pretty, not fit, unless it is custom.
In shotgunning a gun that fits is a tremendous advantage, no matter the price tag on it. Price buys reliability and pretty, not fit, unless it is custom.
You are right, I didnt really say that the way I meant, but going from having instruction to doing it on there own, where they dont understand that they are behind because they have their feet wrong and run out of swing.
You can give to much information to some people. A problem I have to watch myself with, because I want to know everything myself, whether I can absorb it all on the first pass or not.
You can give to much information to some people. A problem I have to watch myself with, because I want to know everything myself, whether I can absorb it all on the first pass or not.
Interesting point. We had a lot of inexperienced visitors at home this year and the youngsters and a number of the adults all wanted to shoot. I found it helped with both groups if I found a some way of asking how much help they wanted. People are really different in how much help they will accept and find useful. Safety stuff isn't negotiable of course. It's important to watch when they put their finger on the trigger and how they control the muzzle of the gun with both groups and to build good habits right away in this regard. Usually I feed them shells one at a time while standing beside them until I'm sure there isn't a problem. Kids are particularly prone to impulsive movements, of course.
Fit really is a worry with newcomers isn't it and it's so darned important that the person hit at least one bird or two. Setting up the trap machine so it fires the same way each time helps or, in a case where the person is having a really tough time hitting, I try them at the low house. Sometimes they find this easier to hit. With adults and reasonably sized juveniles I adjusted the stock on my BT-99 until it fits the chap fairly well for length. The other thing I try to do is to get them to bring the gun to their cheek first then tuck it firmly into their shoulder pocket. But that's about all I do the first time around except tell them about being safe and about looking at the bird. The smaller visitors get to shoot air rifle or 22 from a bench. I have good reactive targets for both of these activities and you can usually get them hitting things quite easily. Come to think of it, I might be able to do the same thing with shotgun...hmmmm.
I wasn't referring to safety, I was referring to too much instruction as to shooting form, stance, gun position when calling for the target etc. Too much instruction often results in people becoming frustrated, overwhelmed, or just ignoring the person that is providing the instruction. I was taught to shoot skeet by a multiple time Canadian champion, and he gave some basic suggestions now and then , but he did not over instruct. He provided me with the basics, but let me fine tune my shooting for the most part, and I enjoyed shooting more than I would have if someone was constantly trying to get me to shoot like they shoot.
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When asked for advice or help on the skeet field I try to keep it basic for beginners. I try to emphasize good stance based on left or right handed shooting, where to look for the target to emerge and give them the amount of lead required at each post. I tell them just practice good basic fundamentals and shoot until you are out of ammo! Lol
If a person asks for help, that is a different situation, I will always provide assistance to anyone that asks. However, some people feel compelled to constantly correct a new shooter, to the point of making the person feel so uncomfortable, that they don't enjoy shooting, and they sometimes don't even come back. As long as they are handling the firearm in a safe manner, I only offer minimum coaching, unless the person asks for help.
