Skorpion SMG's are BACK!!! IN-STOCK NOW!!! Only $999!!!
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That's the attitude! Don't buy legal items in fear of one day they become prohibited items! That's like never dating because you are afraid of divorce.
I try to buy all the scary stuff. Strength in numbers.
I try to buy all the scary stuff. Strength in numbers.
Right on Recce21, (wish there was an emoticon with a fist in the air) cuz that would be used right here>......
Never made in 7.62x25, never will be. This design needed to be reworked considerably to even handle 9mm, never mind 7.62x25. .32acp and .380 were the norm, 9mm mak, and 9mm parabellum were limited numbers, and never went into production.
I agree with Recce and bfiles, safety in numbers. After Allen Rock established most of the nonesense gunlaws in the 1990's, many people felt that they had missed the SKS and CZ858 as they are also "Mean Looking" and give Liberals nightmares at night as "Guns are bad" and a gun killed Allen Rock's hero - John Lennon. It would be pretty darn hard to prohib the SKS or CZ858 now, there are just too many out there, especially as the long gun registery has been eliminated.
I hesitated on the last Skorpian shipment (only seven days of did it), but I didn't hesitate this time. I made my order within minutes of reading the post.
I hesitated on the last Skorpian shipment (only seven days of did it), but I didn't hesitate this time. I made my order within minutes of reading the post.
These guns look very sweet but it would kill me to be restricted to a 5 round pinned clip for it. May as well just keep playing with pistols that I can legally shoot 8 and 10 rounds out of.
Is there anyway to legally use 10 round pistol mags in these like we do on xcr's, jr carbines etc..?
I've seen a couple other questions like this in this thread but i don't think it was directly answered. Some think it's because it's registered as a restricted rifle, and others because it's pistol like..
But if xcr's and jr carbines can use them then how come you can't in these guns?
Can anyone offer a clear legal answer to this?
Tactical Imports can you offer a legal answer to this. I'd love to buy a couple if I could at least shoot 10 rounds at a time out of them. I'd go insane changing clips after 5 rounds in 2 seconds.
Is there anyway to legally use 10 round pistol mags in these like we do on xcr's, jr carbines etc..?
I've seen a couple other questions like this in this thread but i don't think it was directly answered. Some think it's because it's registered as a restricted rifle, and others because it's pistol like..
But if xcr's and jr carbines can use them then how come you can't in these guns?
Can anyone offer a clear legal answer to this?
Tactical Imports can you offer a legal answer to this. I'd love to buy a couple if I could at least shoot 10 rounds at a time out of them. I'd go insane changing clips after 5 rounds in 2 seconds.
These are registered as restricted rifles, so the magazines must be blocked to 5 rounds as centrefire rifle mags. Unfortunately, they also use a proprietary design of magazine, so only a Skorpion magazine will fit, and only a Skorpion pistol magazine in particular would give you 10 rounders. And now for the really bad news: the Skorpion pistol was named as prohibited in 1992 in bill C-17 (listed in OIC #11), and even if they weren't, .32 calibre pistols were prohibited in C-68, so there is no way we'll ever see a Skorpion pistol in Canada in the immediate future. And finally, the magazine control regulations state that handgun magazines must be for a "handgun readily available in Canada" to have a 10 round capacity, so this rules out importing just the mags and claiming they are pistol mags to give you 10 rounders. So, we're stuck with 5 round mags only for these.
It sucks, but there you go.
These are registered as restricted rifles, so the magazines must be blocked to 5 rounds as centrefire rifle mags. Unfortunately, they also use a proprietary design of magazine, so only a Skorpion magazine will fit, and only a Skorpion pistol magazine in particular would give you 10 rounders. And now for the really bad news: the Skorpion pistol was named as prohibited in 1992 in bill C-17 (listed in OIC #11), and even if they weren't, .32 calibre pistols were prohibited in C-68, so there is no way we'll ever see a Skorpion pistol in Canada in the immediate future. And finally, the magazine control regulations state that handgun magazines must be for a "handgun readily available in Canada" to have a 10 round capacity, so this rules out importing just the mags and claiming they are pistol mags to give you 10 rounders. So, we're stuck with 5 round mags only for these.
It sucks, but there you go.
Thanks for the reply fnrob. So how about the BRS 99 then. Since it is a non restricted rifle. Could that gun have 10 round mags?
It could, if they ever made a pistol version, and started importing it. However, at the moment, both the restricted and non-restricted versions are considered to be rifles.
This to me contradicts the fact that xcr rifles and jr carbine rifles are non restricted "rifles" and yet can take pistol mags that hold 10 rounds. So why can't any rifle be altered to legally fit pistol mags that hold 10 rounds. Just like the cz 858 for example and others like Keltec's etc..
Non-restricted and restricted status are not the factor. The factor is whether or not it is a centrefire rifle magazine or if it is a handgun magazine. And on top of that, the capacity is determined by what the magazine is designed for, not what it fits in. The XCR mags you refer to are either XCR pistol mags (yes, they make a pistol version, which Wolverine Supplies imports) or LAR-15 pistol mags, that just happen to fit in them, and in the case if the JR carbines, those are Glock pistol magazines, not JR Carbine rifle mags.
The magazine regs are listed here:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-462/latest/sor-98-462.html
And the RCMP ruling that acknowledges their uses in other firearms than they were designed for is here:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
And here's the letter Questar received confirming the LAR-15 pistol mags were legal and usable in any firearms that they will work in:
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/q_images/LAR Pistol Mags Ruling 2008-06-18.pdf
Note that there is no regulation that states you cannot modify the firearm itself to take a particular magazine design, it is perfectly legal to do so. The only problem is the feasability to do so. In fact, in the example of the 858, there are magwell adaptors to allow them to accept 10 round 7.62X39 XCR "pistol" mags.
<Edit> looks like the relevant legislation was posted by fnrob as I typed this.
Any rifle can be altered to take existing and approved pistol magazines, assuming the magwell adapter can be made to hold the pistol magazine and feed. You cannot make a 10 round magazine designed for a rifle. You cannot modify a pistol magazine to fit a rifle.
The 10 round magazines in NR rifles works because the magazine is designed as a pistol magazine. It happens to fit a rifle. The law is only concerned about what class of firearm the magazine was designed to fit.
The Scorpions are deemed rifles by the RCMP. This is good because we can't have .32 cal pistols. The magazine they come with are then deemed to be designed as rifle magazines and so limited to 5 rounds. There is no pistol currently in Canada that has compatible mags so we are stuck with 5 round rifle mags, or modify the gun to fit some other 32 ACP pistol mag.
Any rifle can be altered to take existing and approved pistol magazines, assuming the magwell adapter can be made to hold the pistol magazine and feed. You cannot make a 10 round magazine designed for a rifle. You cannot modify a pistol magazine to fit a rifle.
The 10 round magazines in NR rifles works because the magazine is designed as a pistol magazine. It happens to fit a rifle. The law is only concerned about what class of firearm the magazine was designed to fit.
The Scorpions are deemed rifles by the RCMP. This is good because we can't have .32 cal pistols. The magazine they come with are then deemed to be designed as rifle magazines and so limited to 5 rounds. There is no pistol currently in Canada that has compatible mags so we are stuck with 5 round rifle mags, or modify the gun to fit some other 32 ACP pistol mag.
No chance. No .380 or 9mm either, just the original caliber of 32 ACP
Holsters come with the package. We don't have any plans for spare parts kits but we warranty the firearms we sell. If something goes wrong we won't leave you hanging.
