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He's a troll. We should stop feeding him. Let people complain to him that his idea failed hard, and he is the reason why their optic is broken.
SKS at the range
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He's a troll. We should stop feeding him. Let people complain to him that his idea failed hard, and he is the reason why their optic is broken.
Interested too, hope you post results, would you not have to remove the gas tube to achieve a true float?? And how are you going to secure the stock in without the ferrule?? Now I'm really curious lol
diabeticfreak
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I did not know that, but given that it is Russian and it's the same on Mosins, I should have put two and two together lol.
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Yep.
It will be a free float as much as it can be with the gas sytem attached haha. So not AR DI level free float, or true bolt action free float. BUT technically nothing will make contact with the stock forward of the chamber. Only thing holding the gun into the stock will be the trigger group and a super thorough bed job of the entire reciever. So im a little concerned that the front will slowly hop out of the bedding. I didnt originally design the gun to be shot free floated.
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It will be a free float as much as it can be with the gas sytem attached haha. So not AR DI level free float, or true bolt action free float. BUT technically nothing will make contact with the stock forward of the chamber. Only thing holding the gun into the stock will be the trigger group and a super thorough bed job of the entire reciever. So im alttle concerned that the front will slowly hop out of the bedding. I didnt originally design the gun to be shot free floated.
A very nice looking rifle. What would be even better would be a video shot at 100 yards or more with live hits showing how well it shoots.
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I have the equipment to do such a thing when i can make the time. Been pretty busy lately with other "un fun" priorities sadly.
LordEvilPepper
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Shooting with the bayonet "locked out" if anything increases the weight by the leverage effect. Weight on the end of the barrel is a good thing, removing the weight ( bayonet ) is a bad thing.None of my bayonets jar around.
Does your SKS barrel still have a bayonet lug ? It looks like you cut it off.
oh trust me your bayonets are moving about
LordEvilPepper
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So you didn't notice that the spring pressure holding the bayo is overcome slightly by recoil and even with a bit of pressure from the rest it still jiggles about throwing off the harmonics of the recoil pulse?
but if its locked in the out position it is now retained a lot better.... if its removed entirely it is even better at getting consistency in the recoil pulse. consistency is accuracy.
LordEvilPepper
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Ok so you know nothing of harmontics... i'll Keep that in mind for future conversions....
I would love to see you shoot a c7 with and without bayonet and with and without m203... See what changing barrel harmonics through (well secured) attachments can do to groupings and zero.
Do you know what a metrenome is? What happens when you move the weight around?
What do you think happens when you change weighting on a barrel of a gun through attachments or shifting mass further in or out? Imagine if that weight was nt as firmly attached to the stick, would it keep consistent time or develope a misstep?
For the record..
I already made a thread about it months ago, posted pictures... Dont think a video made on my flip phone would bring anything to the table.. although a grainy video of me shooting sure would prove im not "cheating" eh?
I would love to see you shoot a c7 with and without bayonet and with and without m203... See what changing barrel harmonics through (well secured) attachments can do to groupings and zero.
Do you know what a metrenome is? What happens when you move the weight around?
What do you think happens when you change weighting on a barrel of a gun through attachments or shifting mass further in or out? Imagine if that weight was nt as firmly attached to the stick, would it keep consistent time or develope a misstep?
For the record..
I already made a thread about it months ago, posted pictures... Dont think a video made on my flip phone would bring anything to the table.. although a grainy video of me shooting sure would prove im not "cheating" eh?
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A metrenome is a devise musicians practice with to improve their timing.
The weight is not moved around, the bayonet is attached in only one place .
A grainy video is no use to anyone, shoot a good quality one with audio showing live accurate hits on a gong at 100 yards of more, that way there will be no doubt that you are right, and I am wrong to doubt you.
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It will be a free float as much as it can be with the gas sytem attached haha. So not AR DI level free float, or true bolt action free float. BUT technically nothing will make contact with the stock forward of the chamber. Only thing holding the gun into the stock will be the trigger group and a super thorough bed job of the entire reciever. So im a little concerned that the front will slowly hop out of the bedding. I didnt originally design the gun to be shot free floated.
Ahh it's that beauty, I imagine as long as you kept the trigger group lock up original you wont have an issue with forward movement. I was imagining a sage-esque chassis with everything stripped from the barrel
LordEvilPepper
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A metrenome is a devise musicians practice with to improve their timing.
The weight is not moved around, the bayonet is attached in only one place .
A grainy video is no use to anyone, shoot a good quality one with audio showing live accurate hits on a gong at 100 yards of more, that way there will be no doubt that you are right, and I am wrong to doubt you.
A metranome is a variable pendulaim. You move the mass on the swing arm to change the speed of the swings.
When you move the weight around it changes harmontics. On a metranome moving te weight out slows it down. What do you think flipping the bayonet out does? You change the mass from close to the reciever to out beyond the barrel end.
Take baseball bat, hold it in your arm with it tucked in undee your arm while you hokd your arm out straight... Then flip the bat around so you are holding it out agead of you... Same mass, same pivot point but differant dynamic right... especially if i start trying to move your arm around.
Not exactly an intensive study , but out of 4 different sks' I've owned ( sadly without one at the moment ) , I've shot all with bayonet extended and folded to see if it affected accuracy . One did show a slight improvement , it took a lot of five shot groups to tell , but it did shave a little off of group sizes . It had no effect on the other three . This was done with one Chinese rifle and three different Russian models ( one of which showed improvement with bayonet extended ) and the same lot of Czech surplus ammo . Make of that what you will .
LordEvilPepper
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Hold on thats what you get out of that video?
That video is about not putting stuff on your barrel that effects ocolation and harmonics... The exact opposite of what you are doing with your barrel mounts.
Gong hits (6x8 inch plate) at 100m lol thats pretty easy thats the warm up site confirmation i usually take 7.62x39 out to 500m .
Take a look at my thread and the group i posted. Thats what an accuraized sks can do.
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The video proves nothing. Since it has NOTHING to do with a SKS. So easy to say when it is a hunting rifle with a smooth barrel, about barrel harmonics. When there is NO gas block, no gas tube, no front sight base, no bayonet lug, no cleaning rod, oh the piece that the stock slips into. Nothing on or touching the barrel. Everything you add, effects harmonics. And nothing about receiver mounts.
So you are grasping straws, and hate to say your wrong. Because you really think your barrel clamp is the best.
When I had SKS, I even played with this method, made a straight pull SKS.. I started to remove everything off the barrel, and seen changes in the accuracy.
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