SKS Bayonet Blade vs Spike

SKS Blade or Spike?

  • Blade

    Votes: 74 60.7%

  • Spike

    Votes: 48 39.3%
  • Total voters
    122
Actually Dakk, the Russians started with a spike bayo on the '49 models and changed to blade in '50. The Chinese liked the spike bayo (takes less time to mfr, therefore cheaper) and went with that. I like Spike bayo rifles for several reasons. I think they look cleaner and proper in a folding fashion, a blade looks kind of silly to me folded under the forend. The spike has 360 degree rigidity, the blade has only 1 strength axis making it prone to bending and breaking if bent sideways. I also like the flat bottom forend on spike bayo stocks. Now I need another chinese SKS...damn
 
Be a craftsman and rig up something like this for your SKS (but height adjustable?):

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^Japanese Type 99 rifle with monopod

In actuality, using the SKS spike bayonet as a monopod is probably the only use for it that I can think of. ;)

Edit: in the very old Ballantyne war books I used to collect and read and re-read almost endlessly, there was mention in there to the effect that the type 99 monopod was an unpopular item and was ditched often by Japanese soldiers.


This thread has got my creative juices flowing. Think of an F-Class bipod but at the top, there is a spring loaded trolley so the rifle is free to recoil while the bipod stays relatively 'put'. Think of the Finnish L-39 Anti tank gun 'tree stump mount'. :evil:
 
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My history teacher in high school was one of the infantrymen who fought in WWII. He told us the misconception about bayonets is that you stab the enemy and then pull the blade out. In fact, he said you charge into the enemy, stab them in the chest, then pull up on the bayonet "thereby disembowling your opponent" (his words, I'll never forget them). Simply stabbing them is not enough, because they may not die.

The older, longer rifles have the elongated stock for this purpose I presume. Bayonets were on their way out by the time the SKS came along. I'm not sure it's a very good bayonet gun because of its length. Sure wouldn't want to find out either.
 
Dakk said:
Yup. I believe I said 'most'.



Yup, I did. Thanks though. I appreciate the intention.

The Russian knew the blade was better. ;)
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Dakk said:
I voted 'blade' for reasons most practical to myself.

1) If there's any inherent benefit in having a bayo mounted, its best to go original, whatever type that is. I like the Russian SKSs, and most of them use the blades.

2) The blade looks good, and the spikes look stupid. That might sound superficial, but we're talking about a part that many people would simply lose althogether because we will likely never use them. Unless you think you might need to stab something, its basically just for show.
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Original design was spike bayo, best to go with original ;)
 
My great grandfather in the Gordon Highlanders was taught to, "stick it in, twist it, pull it out" A blade that was too sharp, not along the edge, but on the tip could get stuck in the bones of the enemy making one need to heave it out by stepping on the bad guy and pulling. A sharpened edge was good but not a sharpened tip.
Eikhorn C-7 bayonet scabbards have a sharpener on them. That must tell one something about the legality of sharpened bayonets.
Spikes are more effective however.

Spikes are not against the Geneva Convention. Sharpened bayonets are not against the Geneva Convention. Such drivel came from recruits who, when asked the source of their information, replied, " I just heard it." That is like a child who justifies everything with "Because".
 
Teapot said:
My great grandfather in the Gordon Highlanders was taught to, "stick it in, twist it, pull it out" A blade that was too sharp, not along the edge, but on the tip could get stuck in the bones of the enemy making one need to heave it out by stepping on the bad guy and pulling. A sharpened edge was good but not a sharpened tip.
Eikhorn C-7 bayonet scabbards have a sharpener on them. That must tell one something about the legality of sharpened bayonets.
Spikes are more effective however.

Spikes are not against the Geneva Convention. Sharpened bayonets are not against the Geneva Convention. Such drivel came from recruits who, when asked the source of their information, replied, " I just heard it." That is like a child who justifies everything with "Because".
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I think you will find it worded something similar to ' no weapon shall be altered in any way to inflict more damage/injuries to the enemy'.. Sharpening your bayonet is considered 'altering' it.
Yes many scabbards have sharpening stones on them, but maybe thats to sharpen the pocket knives nearly every soldier carries to do day to day chores..
 
M-9 bayonet

http://www.m9bayonet.com/library/TM9-1005-237-23P.pdf

yes, the evil mrcans. :rolleyes:


The CDN forces ROE a**holed to death

http://www.forces.gc.ca/jag/publications/oplaw-loiop/cfcc-ccfc-eng.pdf

No specific mention of dire consequences of sharpened or dulled bayonets. Imo the main reason the C1 bayonets were dull was to cut down on injuries on the parade square. At the very end of graduation parade in Cornwallis, I smacked the bayonet so hard I knocked the locking button loose, that bayonet went flying about 20 ft unbenownst to me.

Another possibility could be that someone in a position of authority in the forces kept reiterating the same regurgitated phrase for decades and the disinformation sunk in.
 
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mine has a spike, I took it off.

Anyone know how to take the lug off?

I've never handled the blade type, so I can't comment, but I'd have a hard time breaking the spike bayo.

Also WAY too high for me to use a monopod, I'd have to cut it and try that, I'm not willing.
 
Teapot said:
My great grandfather in the Gordon Highlanders was taught to, "stick it in, twist it, pull it out" A blade that was too sharp, not along the edge, but on the tip could get stuck in the bones of the enemy making one need to heave it out by stepping on the bad guy and pulling. A sharpened edge was good but not a sharpened tip.
Eikhorn C-7 bayonet scabbards have a sharpener on them. That must tell one something about the legality of sharpened bayonets.
Spikes are more effective however.

Spikes are not against the Geneva Convention. Sharpened bayonets are not against the Geneva Convention. Such drivel came from recruits who, when asked the source of their information, replied, " I just heard it." That is like a child who justifies everything with "Because".
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Rotate rifle on its side. Thrust into opponent's chest. Turn rifle upright and withdraw the blade. If the blade is difficult to withdraw, pull the trigger.
 
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