SKS Clip Block

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Hey Everyone,

I was out on the weekend de-gophering the countryside, with my Russian SKS:sniper:, when to my amazement I was suddenly able to push eight shots into my clip:dancingbanana:. Upon emptying the rifle and inspecting the magazine I discovered that the steel block, which some high school drop out had welded into the clip had broken off, leaving about a 1/4" hole in the bottom of the magazine.

So with that said I am wondering if anyone else has had this problem and if so, how does one go about repairing the magazine so that I am still a law abiding rifle owner;). I was thinking that if I was to thread a 1/4" bolt into the hole in the magazine and double nut the bolt so that it was locked in place this would again block the magazine so that it would only accept five rounds bringing it back into compliance with our wonderful semi-automatic gun laws:nest:.

Basher81
 
I don't think putting a bolt in it's place would comply. It has to be permanently fixed and not be able to be undone. I could be wrong. Maybe just as easy to find another clip. Or weld a pin to the underside of the follower.
 
Just do what your have to do to make the magazine comply to the 5 round rule and you should not have a problem. Magazine limiting is also a grey area.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-462/page-2.html

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
This is a bullshat problem that is going to come up again and again and again for probably the next 20 years with the frankenpinned SKS's imported to Canada - my solution was to get a tapco 5/5 round magazine from sks man - my welding skills suck, someday I will get the original magazine sorted out by meself.

PS these frankenpin threads should be stickied.

whatever they are inexpensive rifles to begin with.
 
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Ok, so it just as I feared! :mad:

As it is a steel magazine I will have to permanently reattach the stupid little block:jerkit: Now I am Wondering if JB Weld would be considered a "simmilar method"?

Basher81


bjs7293 said:
Just do what your have to do to make the magazine comply to the 5 round rule and you should not have a problem. Magazine limiting is also a grey area.
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/SOR-98-462/page-2.html

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
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I would never put that 3 oz slug back in there, it's just going to fall out again, unless you really build up the weld, the pan is only about what .040" at the most? I would think up some other method - as you have the 'drain hole' there what have you got to lose really? I started a thread about this a while ago in the red section.

re: epoxy method, from what I have heard, the SKS 59/66's were blocked with a metal piece held there with epoxy, allegedly oil gets behind the epoxy and it just falls out, I don't know if this method is still approved. . .
 
i have the same problem. last time i went to the range the block was playing in my mag i dont know what to do with it and ideas? purchase a detachable mag?
 
Basher81 said:
Ok, so it just as I feared! :mad:

As it is a steel magazine I will have to permanently reattach the stupid little block:jerkit: Now I am Wondering if JB Weld would be considered a "simmilar method"?

Basher81
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Are you playing the can?;)

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
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You've got to weld or rivet in a replacement.
 
This issue also comes down to intent and the letter of the law. The magazine was pinned as per the law, and you are not intentionally altering it to hold more than five rounds. If you're worried about your legal obligations, you have none. If the magazine fails to hold five rounds because the approved pinning process is a failure, that's neither your responsibility nor the responsibility of the person or company you bought it off. If you altered the pinning process or the importer imported improperly pinned mags, then there is assigned blame. The law was clear on the pinning process and the government approved it, whether it is an effective process or not. They cannot after designing and approving the pinning process say it's no longer applicable and make thousands of people re-pin them. All they can do is invent a new pinning process and approve that pinning method for the next batch if the current ones are ineffective. They have done this many times in the past and will continue to do so. Same thing goes for DEWATTING guns. Ever wondered why DEWAT guns from say 10 years ago are DEWATTED differently then they are now?

If your SKS holds eight rounds, it holds eight rounds, and that's because an approved pinning process is ineffective in working. You didn't alter the gun. Not your fault. Put five rounds in it and go shooting, because that's what the law says.
 
I would think that any person would fix the problem to comply with the law. Otherwise, you have no chance to prove that you didn't alter the mag yourself.
If your safety belt stop working, you will still be charged by a cop if you dont wear it when you use your car. (even if it fall off because the last owner didnt fix it correctly..)
 
arcaner said:
I would think that any person would fix the problem to comply with the law. Otherwise, you have no chance to prove that you didn't alter the mag yourself.
If your safety belt stop working, you will still be charged by a cop if you don't wear it when you use your car. (even if it fall off because the last owner didnt fix it correctly..)
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The problem is gun owners have become convinced such a problem is their responsibility if the design is flawed and that they "have to fix it" if it fails by design, the design the government approved. No such law or mandate exists in the Firearms Act. It only states center fire rifle magazines be pinned to five rounds. This is the responsibility of the importer to pin the magazine, (whether that is you or a company) and the government to approve the pinning process. The Act says you cannot modify the magazine to hold more than five rounds or take the pin out. You using the magazine and the pinning process failing to hold only five rounds isn't a form of modification, and the Act doesn't tell you you have to "make it right." It's the pinning process the government has approved failing to hold five rounds. There is nothing to correct as nothing was modified. As it was a hastily written bill written on fear rather than fact, it is full of holes, errors, and deletions. Some of the time, it actually helps guns owners by tying the government's hands behind their backs. (like the 10 round rule for AR's; thank the Firearms Act for that one)

The safety belt comparison is no comparison. Safety belts are for your personal safety in your car. Your personal safety is not in jeopardy if your rifle holds eight rounds. The 6th, 7th, and 8th round are no more dangerous than the first five. If your safety belt fails, there were laws written that make the manufacturer repair the belt on their dime or you get to sue the manufacturer if it fails and you die or are injured, or the manufacturer fails to repair it. You cannot sue the government though. (they have it written in law that you can't) Further, your vehicle goes through a safety check before it is sold on the used/private market, and the safety belt is further approved or failed by the government of the car/truck. No such laws or procedures in the Firearm's Act exist. If the government approved the pinning process to be proper, it is, even if it ends up it isn't and likely thousands of SKS's out there are effected by this. The government doesn't make you get your firearm "re-verified" on a private sale. (although I am sure they'd like to) You cannot sue the importer, retailer, the guy you bought it from, etc. or even the government if it fails. No law on the books for that. Further, the government cannot convict you of a crime if "their" verified process for pinning ends up failing. It is their law.

If you're choosing to correct the flaw in the design because you're frightened the government is going to find out, that is a different discussion all together for another discussion thread.
 
After having a brief conversation with the chief firearms officer here in Alberta, I was informed that yes it is my responsibility to bring the rifle back up to standards either through the purchase of a new magazine or welding or pinning the original magazine so that it will only accept five rounds.:kickInTheNuts:
 
Basher81 said:
After having a brief conversation with the chief firearms officer here in Alberta, I was informed that yes it is my responsibility to bring the rifle back up to standards either through the purchase of a new magazine or welding or pinning the original magazine so that it will only accept five rounds.:kickInTheNuts:
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Ask him to quote you the documentation or section that he refering to in the regs in reguards to repair. I bet he can't, most of the time they tell you what sounds reasonable. Killercane makes so very good points...........
 
fat tony said:
So if my SKS goes full auto for some reason, I am good to go for 10 round bursts forever? - ya guess what the outcome in that scenario would be? :rolleyes: :jerkit:
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SKS's will go full auto if the spring in the sear disconnect is gummed up, sticky or heavily dirty. It stays in the compressed position. Seen it myself firsthand on three different SKS's straight out of the arsenal crate. It's an uncontrolled full auto (you won't be able to stop the rate of fire) but it's full auto nonetheless.

If you modified the spring to stick, that's intent, and illegal. If your SKS got dirty and went full auto, not your fault, and you cannot be held responsible for that.

It comes down to intent. Always.
 
Go to your local hardware store, grab about 3 bucks worth of parts, some permanent Locktite, and your good to go. locktite, lock washer, a few flat washers, and a nylock nut as well and it's pinned to 5 again, and can't take it apart, unless your going to get tools out. Plugged the hole and pinned back to 5, what more can you ask for.

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sorry about quality of pics, holding the rifle and the camera at the same time, really don't work, but you get the idea.
 
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