SKS...DMR? Is this real or imaginary

For the Type 81 which kinda looks like an SKS. You can get the side mount scope.

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The Type 81 is my next purchase.
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Murray 3-D said:
I call BS. Military arms channel seemed to easily demonstrate 1.3 MOA from his SVD....
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In my souvenirs I have an English language manual for a Russian SVD 7.62x54R that I picked up in Kuwait City at the Mother of All Truck Wrecks headed towards the Mutla Pass in Spring 1991. There were only about 25 Canadian Forces posted (not tourists) in the City. We had a chance to go see what it was all about.

The specification is written in the manual, and as I remember it was pretty coarse. Maybe minute of man at 300m. We are very spoiled in these days with very accurate rifles and ammunition, and I don't trust many of the Youtube experts.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
In my souvenirs I have an English language manual for a Russian SVD 7.62x54R that I picked up in Kuwait City at the Mother of All Truck Wrecks headed towards the Mutla Pass in Spring 1991. There were only about 25 Canadian Forces posted (not tourists) in the City. We had a chance to go see what it was all about.

The specification is written in the manual, and as I remember it was pretty coarse. Maybe minute of man at 300m. We are very spoiled in these days with very accurate rifles and ammunition, and I don't trust many of the Youtube experts.
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Out of curiosity, I looked up the original SVD manual (наставление по стрелковому делу СВД). Rifles were test fired using standard steel-core ammo and iron sights, prone, front rest, four shots, 100 m. In order to pass the inspection, the group size was to be 8 cm or less, i.e. approximately 3 MOA.

In combat, the marksman would be using sniper-grade ammo and optics. According to the manual, one shot required to hit a head-sized target at 300 m, standing figure up to 700 m, prone position. That said, main firepower of an infantry platoon in 1970-1980s was their fighting vehicles armed with 30-mm 2A42 auto cannons, AGS-17, antitank missiles etc.
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
In my souvenirs I have an English language manual for a Russian SVD 7.62x54R that I picked up in Kuwait City at the Mother of All Truck Wrecks headed towards the Mutla Pass in Spring 1991. There were only about 25 Canadian Forces posted (not tourists) in the City. We had a chance to go see what it was all about.

The specification is written in the manual, and as I remember it was pretty coarse. Maybe minute of man at 300m. We are very spoiled in these days with very accurate rifles and ammunition, and I don't trust many of the Youtube experts.
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Ya that is an out right insult man! Your suggesting that the SVD, a rifle designed by a man who made Olympic target rifles, designed to basically be Russia's sniper rifle, designed to fire a 1000m cartridge, designed to utilize a specially engineered 4x optic with a 1500m BDC system and target rangefinder was only expected to pattern around 5 moa ?!! I personally trust the word of firearm enthusiasts and historians who actually own and ticker with these firearms then the know it all jar head who got to shoot one for a few minutes that was picked off from a dead Iraqi who probably used its barrel as a wrench snipe at some point lol (not implying that your one of those, but ive interacted with the like before)
 
supernova said:
You definitely want to be informed at gun shows. I saw an old guy trying to sell a beat up Russian refurb in a beat up tapco stock with the front sight cut off, NC Star muzzle brake welded to the barrel and a dust cover scope mount for $850. He had some young guy eating his BS up who nearly bought it. The look I gave the guy was returned with a look that said he knew that I knew.
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I know what your talking about . I think they sit in the parking lot of the show smoking fatties and come up with those stupid prices. all I have to do is walk by tables and I just say to myself wow unreal prices on garbage. I can't stand people who rip off innocent people. buyer beware.
 
Murray 3-D said:
Ya that is an out right insult man! Your suggesting that the SVD, a rifle designed by a man who made Olympic target rifles, designed to basically be Russia's sniper rifle, designed to fire a 1000m cartridge, designed to utilize a specially engineered 4x optic with a 1500m BDC system and target rangefinder was only expected to pattern around 5 moa ?!! I personally trust the word of firearm enthusiasts and historians who actually own and ticker with these firearms then the know it all jar head who got to shoot one for a few minutes that was picked off from a dead Iraqi who probably used its barrel as a wrench snipe at some point lol (not implying that your one of those, but ive interacted with the like before)
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@Murray 3-D I don't need to suffer your slags and put downs. I was there. I have the little booklet. I'm repeating what I remember, and it wasn't especially special.
 
Murray 3-D said:
Ya that is an out right insult man! Your suggesting that the SVD, a rifle designed by a man who made Olympic target rifles, designed to basically be Russia's sniper rifle, designed to fire a 1000m cartridge, designed to utilize a specially engineered 4x optic with a 1500m BDC system and target rangefinder was only expected to pattern around 5 moa ?!! I personally trust the word of firearm enthusiasts and historians who actually own and ticker with these firearms then the know it all jar head who got to shoot one for a few minutes that was picked off from a dead Iraqi who probably used its barrel as a wrench snipe at some point lol (not implying that your one of those, but ive interacted with the like before)
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Wow, that was intense. It's been a while but David Fortier used to write about the SVD and it's variants a lot and even he (an unabashed Red rifle guy) used to note the accuracy wasn't up to western standards. Saying Dragunov built Olympic rifles is irrelevant, Lamborghini built tractors as well as sports cars.
 
Dont want to read backlash, then dont make insultingly false claims about Red Rifles in the Red Rifle forum.

Go to the Battle Rifle forum and belch out something like "the M1a is a useless POS excuse for a DMR and is lucky shoot 6moa" and see how that plays out for ya...
 
Murray 3-D said:
Ya that is an out right insult man! Your suggesting that the SVD, a rifle designed by a man who made Olympic target rifles, designed to basically be Russia's sniper rifle, designed to fire a 1000m cartridge, designed to utilize a specially engineered 4x optic with a 1500m BDC system and target rangefinder was only expected to pattern around 5 moa ?!! I personally trust the word of firearm enthusiasts and historians who actually own and ticker with these firearms then the know it all jar head who got to shoot one for a few minutes that was picked off from a dead Iraqi who probably used its barrel as a wrench snipe at some point lol (not implying that your one of those, but ive interacted with the like before)
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Didn't we go through all this before? :yingyang:



It was my understanding that the ammo compatible with the BDC-reticle was "not always" available, and that informed a lot of differing accounts.... :wave:
 
I aint no SVD expert, but I at least grasp enough knowledge and respect for the rifle to understand its capability extends considerably further then "minute of man out to 300m" lol Id say "5.45"s substance sounds about right! by no means a tack driver, but for Stalins sake it aint no 5MOA Type 81
 
Murray 3-D said:
I aint no SVD expert, but I at least grasp enough knowledge and respect for the rifle to understand its capability extends considerably further then "minute of man out to 300m" lol Id say "5.45"s substance sounds about right! by no means a tack driver, but for Stalins sake it aint no 5MOA Type 81
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One of the more astonishing things about the SVD is its apparent user-friendliness; various "volunteers" to the Kurds - including some who'd never handled a scoped .30 long gun before - have all commented on the relative ease in learning & using the SVD to impressive effect (often way beyond what it was intended-for, of course)... :yingyang:



The semi-automatic nature of the rifle was, unsurprisingly, very highly praised as well... :wave:
 
I am no expert on these but i do have some experience with the Russian Tigr or Tiger which is the sporter version that was imported into the US in the 90's. Ammo for these rifles should be 7N1 or later 7N14 which was developed for these rifles. While not as accurate as Western Nation DMR's and Sniper rigs they can in the right hands do the job. If you do a google search there is a website dedicated to these weapons.
 
Murray 3-D said:
Dont want to read backlash, then dont make insultingly false claims about Red Rifles in the Red Rifle forum.

Go to the Battle Rifle forum and belch out something like "the M1a is a useless POS excuse for a DMR and is lucky shoot 6moa" and see how that plays out for ya...
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You REALLY need to get informed dude - and quit insulting those that have been there and shot that platform. Do I detect a troll???
 
I had one build out of a new 75$ chinses sks with a russian style 6x scope side mounted.
Its good fun out to 250yards but closer vz58 is better.
 
EXPAT556 said:
I am no expert on these but i do have some experience with the Russian Tigr or Tiger which is the sporter version that was imported into the US in the 90's. Ammo for these rifles should be 7N1 or later 7N14 which was developed for these rifles. While not as accurate as Western Nation DMR's and Sniper rigs they can in the right hands do the job. If you do a google search there is a website dedicated to these weapons.
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A great Russian geologist I worked with used his 7.62 x 54 Tigr to kill barrenland grizzlies in the Russian arctic. The first time I met him he offered me a fresh front paw as a souvenir.

To be fair, he had lost a student geologist to a grizzly mauling in the 90's so he had a policy to kill any who did not run away in an area where people were working

His dogs rode on top of the APC (not armored, a civilian tracked machine) and alerted him to the griz. If they did not retreat they were gone.

So the SVD and it's variants are excellent rifles and handled the harsh Russian arctic conditions with aplomb.

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