SKS magazine capacity vs M1Garand?

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I am a proud owner of few Russian SKS rifles that are pinned to 5rnd capacity. Why are SKS rifles that have fixed box magazines attached to rifle pinned to 5 rnds when the M1Garand isnt?
Maybe ive been shooting too much of the corrosive 7.62x39 lately and im getting senile from the fumes. Am I missing something?
 
Because there is an explicit exemption for the M1.

cf: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-462/FullText.html Part 4, (3) 2. a. (iii).
 
Because the Garand requires an Enbloc clip that is 8 rounds, it doesn't have and internal box magazine. Without the Enbloc you can only load it single shot, as far as I know. There will be some along shortly with a lot more experience with them than me, to correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Kepet nailed it. Doesn't operate properly without the whole stripper clip in there.

Ive been trying to make sense of some of the mag restrictions and cant for the life of me. Im not against mag restrictions per-se, I get why the unwashed masses think they should be limited. We dont need drum mags, but it sure would be nice to get 10 rounds. internal bottom drop outs like the sks IMO shouldnt be limited. It only annoys law abiding citizens. Most pin jobs are a 30 second fix to get the full capacity if someone wanted to go on a rampage on those kind of rifles. I havent had a close look at pinned detachables, but im sure a determined criminal would find it equally trivial.
 
derr12 said:
Kepet nailed it. Doesn't operate properly without the whole stripper clip in there.

Ive been trying to make sense of some of the mag restrictions and cant for the life of me. Im not against mag restrictions per-se, I get why the unwashed masses think they should be limited. We dont need drum mags, but it sure would be nice to get 10 rounds. internal bottom drop outs like the sks IMO shouldnt be limited. It only annoys law abiding citizens. Most pin jobs are a 30 second fix to get the full capacity if someone wanted to go on a rampage on those kind of rifles. I havent had a close look at pinned detachables, but im sure a determined criminal would find it equally trivial.
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Please don't tell me what I need or don't need.
 
KePet said:
Because the Garand requires an Enbloc clip that is 8 rounds, it doesn't have and internal box magazine. Without the Enbloc you can only load it single shot, as far as I know. There will be some along shortly with a lot more experience with them than me, to correct me if I'm wrong.
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In the States, several states have not granted such an exemption, there is now a 5 schot enbloc for use in those states. Something the RCMP are now aware of.
 
derr12 said:
Im not against mag restrictions per-se, I get why the unwashed masses think they should be limited. We dont need drum mags, but it sure would be nice to get 10 rounds. internal bottom drop outs like the sks IMO shouldnt be limited. It only annoys law abiding citizens. Most pin jobs are a 30 second fix to get the full capacity if someone wanted to go on a rampage on those kind of rifles. I havent had a close look at pinned detachables, but im sure a determined criminal would find it equally trivial.
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While the public at large doesn't get it (yet) that magazine capacity restrictions have literally zero effect on criminals and spree killers, that doesn't mean that we should accept that. While I personally only feel a need for 10 rounds I know others need more for their purposes. Magazine capacity restrictions are the epitome of feel good laws. Remember, one "no one needs" argument leads to the next until we are left with a single shot rifle only.
 
fraserdw said:
In the States, several states have not granted such an exemption, there is now a 5 schot enbloc for use in those states. Something the RCMP are now aware of.
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well they can go to hell for that, its in writing that the garand is exempted from the 5 round limit, i cant think of a way the rcmp can make the m1 garand a 5 round limit only without having it taken to court. i think its time to order 20-30 more new en block 8 rounders just in case.
 
fraserdw said:
In the States, several states have not granted such an exemption, there is now a 5 schot enbloc for use in those states. Something the RCMP are now aware of.
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Yes some experimental 5-shot clips exist and there are ways to reduce the capacity of the old WWII pingees, but hundreds of thousands of 8-shot clips also exist and freely circulate. When the magazine capacity laws were being drafted, the old NFA made a substantial effort to prove that homemade or experimental solutions were impractical. Some guns are just different enough to be exempted.
 
derr12 said:
Kepet nailed it. Doesn't operate properly without the whole stripper clip in there.

Ive been trying to make sense of some of the mag restrictions and cant for the life of me. Im not against mag restrictions per-se, I get why the unwashed masses think they should be limited. We dont need drum mags, but it sure would be nice to get 10 rounds. internal bottom drop outs like the sks IMO shouldnt be limited. It only annoys law abiding citizens. Most pin jobs are a 30 second fix to get the full capacity if someone wanted to go on a rampage on those kind of rifles. I havent had a close look at pinned detachables, but im sure a determined criminal would find it equally trivial.
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You might not "need" or want emasculated magazines, but there are plenty of us who differ in opinion. There are also plenty on your side of the argument who would say we also don't need anything beyond a single shot with projectiles limited to under 100yards in range. And if society goes about deciding who can own what based on "need", then we are soon going to be limited to Ladas, steamed vegetables and rice, and pointy sticks and harsh language for hunting our own food. No thanks. Do not presume to tell me what I need.
 
Look gentleman. No need to jump up my ass. I guess i should have phrased that I have no need for a drum-mag. You wouldn't be willing to compromise with the ruling body and say, "Alright guys, keep hundred round drums pinned. But let us have sane mag restrictions, say 20?"

Every time I see a drum mag on anything Im reminded of that bank robbery in the states where those two guys armed with a bunch of loaded drums and ak's went on a spree. Powerful images like that are hard to purge from the public's memory. It would be a hard sell.
I dont know, maybe have drums, but make them restricted?
 
fraserdw said:
In the States, several states have not granted such an exemption, there is now a 5 schot enbloc for use in those states. Something the RCMP are now aware of.
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Well they better get on that right away. Just think of the carnage if gangsters are allowed to continue to use those extra 3 rounds in their almost 80 year old, 8 pound rifles while doing drive by's.
 
derr12 said:
Look gentleman. No need to jump up my ass. I guess i should have phrased that I have no need for a drum-mag. You wouldn't be willing to compromise with the ruling body and say, "Alright guys, keep hundred round drums pinned. But let us have sane mag restrictions, say 20?"

Every time I see a drum mag on anything Im reminded of that bank robbery in the states where those two guys armed with a bunch of loaded drums and ak's went on a spree. Powerful images like that are hard to purge from the public's memory. It would be a hard sell.
I dont know, maybe have drums, but make them restricted?
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Take a break from the keyboard buddy. You're not gonna like how it turns out when you start telling people around here what they need, or don't. Or that any needlessly restrictive laws are ok. Mag restrictions are a burden only to those who obey the law and do nothing to prevent criminals from being criminal, and disobeying the law.
 
derr12 said:
Sorry I inadvertently set up a thread-jacking. Ill remember to keep my opinions in an opinion thread next time.
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Well, to be frank, you set yourself up by stating that we; as in all gun owners, don't need anything but emasculated magazines limited to what you think is reasonable and therefore what we should be allowed to have. And yes, on this board, Canada's asinine magazine restrictions are very much a sore point. If you want to use such magazines, that is fine; but in all honesty, don't expect much in the way of support for such ideas.
 
Actually my first statement was that I thought mag restrictions were dumb and that I had been trying to make sense of them for years but couldn't. My second train of thought was trying to find a way to rationalize with the public. Perhaps despite their Mis-conceptions we might find a happy middle ground. I certainly wasn't expecting the reaction I got but I'm new to the board so... lesson learned I guess.
 
Don't take this the wrong way but there are no middle ground stances with gun rights.

We the law abiding should be free to own and shoot whatever we desire

They the law breaking should be swiftly and harshly dealt with.

Pretty simple to me.

I don't break the law. If I want(need) a 100 round drum for my VZ58 why should the government have any right to tell me no.

If the government did to car/truck owners what they did to gun owners do you thing the vehicle owners would be happy with middle ground? Now I know there are some regulations but if I want to drive a screaming fast sports car or a jacked up hummer I'm free to do that.

Stop looking for common sense with our gun laws. Accept them or stand up and fight with us that strive to see our rights restored.
 
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