SKS Pinned to 5 rounds....with bolt and washers....

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Hey,

I just bought a used SKS yesterday. It wasnt until today when i was cleaning it, that I realized that there is no usual rivet or wield pinning it to 5 rounds. It is some at home Mcgivered job. He has a bult going through the bottom with washers.

God damn it. I bought a few guns off of him, and was in a hurry. It is my fault for not being more attentive.

Does this pass as legal? Like i know when you hunt with a shotgun and you need only 3 rounds, you just get a homemade cut wood dowling and shove it in the tube. Could this be the same type of deal? As long as you cant put more than 5 rounds in its good, or does it need to be a permanent job?

Should i take it somewhere to get wielded? if so, anyone know where i could go in the GTA area.

Thanks guys



 
The problem is that if its not legal then you are in possession of a prohibited device. Don't get caught with it and make sure you get the work done by someone who isn't going to freak out and report you to the police resulting in them reinvestigating the class status of the SKS.
 
That's fine. As long as its not 'finger tight' and would need tools to remove.
Not legal advise of course, but I wouldn't give it another thought if it was my rifle.
 
I'm certainly no expert, but it seems like it should be legal. Rivets and welds aren't "permanent" in any sense of the word and can be removed as well. the only truly "permanent" solution would be a brand new magazine that is sized to only accept 5 rounds. Welds, Rivets, Bolts, Dowels - all of them can be removed with enough time and effort. Just my $0.02 - if you'd like a definitive answer perhaps try inquiring with the RCMP or CFC
 
I have asked before, who and where are the mags pinned...at the arsenal or at the Canadian distributor? If it is illegal to import SKSs with unpinned mags, I would guess they are pinned overseas before importing...have I answered my own question?
 
It sounds like it may have been pinned previously , but that someone removed the pin ( rivet ) to increase mag. Cap. , then decided to change it back .......
 
Discretion is the better part of valor. Remove the magazine from the rifle and bring just the magazine to a smith or metal shop. Odds are good they'll have no idea what they're looking at anyway. Have them tack weld the pin in place and Bob's your uncle.

Any place that does welding as part of their business but not their primary source of income (tool rental shops, HS tech teachers, etc) will probably do it for you for nearly nothing.

FF

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
Pinned before import. RCMP specifically disallows businesses from importing prohibited devices for the purpose of pinning them.

FF
Ed Smurf said:
I have asked before, who and where are the mags pinned...at the arsenal or at the Canadian distributor? If it is illegal to import SKSs with unpinned mags, I would guess they are pinned overseas before importing...have I answered my own question?
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I don't think a bolt/nut/washer combo is legal unless it's epoxied or welded together somehow, as otherwise it falls into the easily removable category. IIRC the regulations say something along the lines of it must not be easy to remove.
 
Thanks for all your answers guys.

with the copy and pasted text above, it makes me think that maybe the washers need to be epoxied or something to make it 'not easy to alter'
 
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Seat the bolt head against a hard surface and peen the edges of the bolt down around the nut - if you stake it by smearing the bolt into the nut with a chisel it'll be a royal arse to get off. That or take the nut off and put red loctite on the threads. A JB weld lump on top would also probably fit the legal requirement.

My personal opinion is that a tightened nut and bolt won't come off by hand, so you're ok. However I think if the RCMP had a problem with it, you'd lose. The vast majority of how they decide things is on appearance - they don't have much more than a rudimentary knowledge of the law and often even that is flawed, so if it's not an issue you want to take to court, it's better to cover your butt.
 
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