SKS Ranges

mwjones said:
Doesn't really deserve a hat tip.... I'm all for killing pests, but if your chosen tool and skill with it mean that you have to take 4 shots, and it still crawls away into someone else's property, you probably need to rethink something.
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x2, maybe 400 yards wasn't the brightest idea and what's with the *etar*ed comment anyway?
 
Since the topic is of the SKS's range. A question to those who have shot past 100 yards.

Is it feasible to zero in a scope at 300m (328 yards) on a SKS? Are the groups going to be tight enough to use for sighting in?

I am installing a custom left offset mounted PU scope, reminiscent to the Russian prototype "sniper" rifles. I have been reading a PSO-1 manual and it says to zero in at 300m to compensate for the offset and nullify the multiple collimation points. Or is it a bit more realistic to zero in at the BSZ at 225 yards?
 
BeaverMeat
That will be dependant on ammo quality. I'm sure you know all about surplus quality and the groups that go with it. All those fliers at 100 yds are magnified greatly at 300. That 4" group turns into a shotgun pattern. With better ammo or handloads groups will shrink drastically.

As for taking pot shots at a coyote from 400 yds... That is just plain unethical. I have no problem with farmers killing animals that threaten their livestock, fields or family but be humane about it. You probably gut shot it and it probably spent some time in agonizing pain before dying and being completely wasted. I'd phone fish and wildlife if I seen some dumb redneck jerkoff pulling a stunt like that. Use the right tool for the job or quit trying to call yourself a hunter.
 
supernova said:
BeaverMeat
That will be dependant on ammo quality. I'm sure you know all about surplus quality and the groups that go with it. All those fliers at 100 yds are magnified greatly at 300. That 4" group turns into a shotgun pattern. With better ammo or handloads groups will shrink drastically.

As for taking pot shots at a coyote from 400 yds... That is just plain unethical. I have no problem with farmers killing animals that threaten their livestock, fields or family but be humane about it. You probably gut shot it and it probably spent some time in agonizing pain before dying and being completely wasted. I'd phone fish and wildlife if I seen some dumb redneck jerkoff pulling a stunt like that. Use the right tool for the job or quit trying to call yourself a hunter.
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If it's legal, why get mad about it?
 
BeaverMeat said:
Since the topic is of the SKS's range. A question to those who have shot past 100 yards.

Is it feasible to zero in a scope at 300m (328 yards) on a SKS? Are the groups going to be tight enough to use for sighting in?

I am installing a custom left offset mounted PU scope, reminiscent to the Russian prototype "sniper" rifles. I have been reading a PSO-1 manual and it says to zero in at 300m to compensate for the offset and nullify the multiple collimation points. Or is it a bit more realistic to zero in at the BSZ at 225 yards?
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I would say it is feasible, with the 2shot method and a rest that see's as little interference from the shooter as possible. step 1) ensure your irons are 100% on target and you are consistent at say 50yards. Step 2) Rifle seated so it won't move, shoot at 50 through your irons with the scope mounted. (do not move the rifle) look through the scope and have a friend adjust the scope to your POI on the paper. (again, do not move the rifle)...then 100, tweek. 200, tweek and 300 m.

I don't know anything about a PU type scope, but mildot type cross hairs makes yardage adjustments too easy not to utilize them IMHO.

I have recently shot the sks out to 300 m prone (iron sights) and although I could stay on a figure 11 target it was quite sporadic, although sighting in could be feasible, I would recommend 50 yards and tweek it as you reach out.
 
Surrey Boy said:
If it's legal, why get mad about it?
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He's not talking about legal, he's talking about ethical, frankly i was quite disturbed with the coyote story as well. For christ's sake, looks at if he was just doing it for fun and not be because it was threatening livestock, chickens or something like that.

I don't have any problems with hunting, as with good hunters will never take a shot unless they are certain that the shot will be a kill. they don't just around pumping round after round in nature hoping to hit something. life should be respected, and taking a life while hunting should be done humanely.

I don't go around shooting living things for fun, I'm sorry but my opinion on the matter is that he's a sick fack, just like the sick facks here in bc who shoot cats with airsoft rifles. but hey thats just my opinion so whatever, makes me red with rage though.
 
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The textbook maximum "effective" range is 400m (440 yards). The term effective is open to interpretation. You will notice that all com-bloc optics with a Simonov reticle range finder will only go up to 400m.

So...yeah. 440 yards give or take
 
mikethebike said:
He's not talking about legal, he's talking about ethical, frankly i was quite disturbed with the coyote story as well. For christ's sake, looks at if he was just doing it for fun and not be because it was threatening livestock, chickens or something like that.

I don't have any problems with hunting, as with good hunters will never take a shot unless they are certain that the shot will be a kill. they don't just around pumping round after round in nature hoping to hit something. life should be respected, and taking a life while hunting should be done humanely.

I don't go around shooting living things for fun, I'm sorry but my opinion on the matter is that he's a sick fack, just like the sick facks here in bc who shoot cats with airsoft rifles. but hey thats just my opinion so whatever, makes me red with rage though.
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Go down to Reliable and ask what a varmint gun is for - think Whack-a-Mole, but real life.


And I dare say, there's an urban softie equivalent to the Fudds everyone here complains about. Remember that it was "Hunters and Farmers" who were defended in parliament, not mall ninjas.
 
We just shot our Vintage rifle shoot. Here is a SKS, iron sights, shot at 300 meters (330 yards):

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Here is a Norinco M14 (scoped) at 300 M. The first 5 shots went high, so he aimed lower for the second 5. This rifle is box stock except for the scope. The owner is thrilled.

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In my opinion the SKS is a good 100 yard rifle.
 
Impressive, but still not something that he can count on every round hitting its target. You are right though, alot of people blame the rifle when it's the person that can't shoot. Is his rifle modified at all, or is it stock?
 
Camaroguy said:
Is his rifle modified at all, or is it stock?
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This is the only video were he comments on modifications to the rifle, $200 Bushnell Scope and
a Glass bedding job. He does do extensive reloading though. With the SKS vid he appears to be
using surplus ammo. His rifle rest is from a hardware store. After watching over a dozen of his
video's I get the impression that he is a middle class guy with kids and has a limited
shooting budget. I just find it impressive to see what is possible with these old rilfes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8B4Me5HXNo&list=TLZRDACkyvfi8


He seem to do okay with Semi Auto rifles as well, this one is in original condition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34RqMoyMZmI&list=TLZRDACkyvfi8
 
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I guess I missed that part. With scope and bedding and handloaded ammo I could see it being a reasonably accurate rifle to four or five hundred yards. Not stock with surplus though.
 
I have two SKS's and am very impressed with their performance over irons. I have not fired either past our 200M range. I zeroed my last SKS about a month ago with my wife spotting. I set my rear sight at 200M and proceeded with my sight tool to produce a 200M zero with '63 Bulgarian surplus. After shooting the crap out of a tiny bush in the backstop for around 30 rounds, I went back to a 4" bull on the 100M.
Slide the rear sight gingerly to the 100 stop and proceeded to fire 5 into the bull with a six o'clock hold. After viewing the bull through the spotting glass, I was much impressed to see all 5 into about 3-4" right at POA, on the 6 o'clock position.

Nice to see a service rifle, it's sights, and it's intended ammunition,.. all working together as a team to produce predictable results.

I would feel very much threatened at 400M with an SKS aimed my way in the hands of a marksman's level shooter. Now a USGI M-1 carbine, of such I've fielded two,....if you hold still and try not to move around too much,..you're probably good to go at 400.
I am NATO:canadaFlag:/Allies Rifle first as a collector and shooter for that matter, but have found a big respect for the lowly SKS that I once scoffed at as a "shotgun pattern bangstick" wielded by a mutant, socially and physically deformed illegitimate enemy in the Eastern Bloc. And all that cheap musty smelling surplus ammo , yummy!

......you are now returned to your Radio Moscow broadcast, the Voice of Mother Russia, already in progress...........
 
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