SKS to FAL conversion, MK1 (56k warning)

H Wally

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First off, a disclaimer:
1) I am doing this with permission of the cfc. Once fully functional and finished, it will be submitted and verified. The intent of this project is for it to be completely legal and non restricted. Because of this, it is vital that you do not alter or destroy the serial number of the gun.

2) The gun will remain semi auto, will maintain its barrel length, and is max 5rd capable.

3) This post is purely for information and to spark imaginations. I don't intend to make money off of it, and I hope that you can respect that as well, so if you make a kit, I want a cut of the profit;)


4) If you try to copy or make a new design - beware, it's very difficult, requires a lot of planning, cost, and if done wrong, needless danger and legal hassles. Start small and learn rather than going big and going broke.

5) Pending CFC approval, Mod approval and CGN approval, I'll do post a buildalong of the start to finish process.

ANYWAYS


Here's 56 hrs (2 weeks, 4 hrs a day) worth of work:

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And here are the details in basic:

This project was done with hand files, a dremel with cutting discs, an air cutter, Mig and arc welder, Hammer, Bench grinder. Lathes and milling machines would work better, but are not necessary. I am self taught.

SKS upper, FAL lower. Both extensively modified and altered to work. The FAL lower and the hammer must be cut, fitted and welded, while the upper must be fitted with a rotation point for the pivot crossbolt (no idea what it's called), have the back of the reciever cut just behind the bolt wall, a new firing pin, a new dust cover, a completely new magazine assembly and magazine, a fabricated mag well, and mag catch/release. And that's just the integral parts!

As of yet I have not gone into aesthetics at all, as you can see. It will have a correct dust cover, flash hider, and front stock when all is said and done. Phosphating after that.

My girlfriend has requested one in metallic flake pink:)


So far the rifle mostly functions. When it fires, the bolt cycles and loads another round. Problem is, I am having problems with an underpowered hammer, that is merely denting the primer but not reliably firing it.

Here's the question for the cgn community:

Provided that there is more than enough projection of the firing pin for proper primer strike,

and

Provided that the FAL hammer spring is housed inside a piston that is not alterable,

and

Provided that the barrel is not slipping in the reciever (it was suggested elsewhere that the barrel is moving forwards, however I've been keeping an eye on it and it hasn't moved).

How do I increase striking force on the firing pin? I know I need more force, and force = mass x acceleration. Therefore, I need to add considereably more mass, or considerably more acceleration. I need someone out there who can figure out a much heavier hammer, or a way to make a more powerful piston spring


Anyways, more pics:

Here you can see A) the catch made from part of the sks trigger tang. I tapped out the trigger tang spring catch and inserted a steel rod and welded it in place. I then hand filed it to fit the catch. It locks up solidly.
B) my horrible welds.
c)my solutions to not having a proper pivot bolt and not having a working mag catch/release at the time of the photo.
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Taken apart.
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Did you know that an SKS mag fits into an FAL mag?***
http://s13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/Huey_luey/Guns/?action=view&current=Partsandsummer074.jpg

*** It just needs modifications:
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If you want to call me bubba, well, it's true. HOWEVER - I am only using "organ donor rifles" - ONLY Ishapore FAL parts that have been already welded, cut or otherwise buggered. The Norc SKS had some fairly intensive issues. In 30 years I'll probably kick myself for cutting up a norc, but for now, I want an FAL!!!


Ideas, suggestions, praise or disapproval all welcome. I am still short parts for my lowers, along with plastic or ishapore stock sets, so a donation or such would be appreciated;) (or I can buy em)
 
Dude, thought that was pretty cool. Hope it works out for you. When you get it up and running post a video fo you shooting it!

Moose
 
Before anybody gets the tinfoil hat on, HWally has cleared this issue with ME! :eek: I can see nothing wrong or illegal with this conversion so we are not:

1) Discussing illegal activities
2) Trying to circumnavigate the CFC legislation
3) Sell anything illegal

So everyone, lighten up and let's have this project progress for the sake of interest and sharing. :D

This is a FLAME - Free zone !! :evil:
 
Neat idea. As far as the light strike issue goes: Is it possible that the hammer is not hitting the firing pin squarely? If it aint, then cut back the firing pin until it does. If it is, then the only way I can think of increasing the force is to cut back the hammer and firing pin a bit to increase the final velocity when it hits.
 
Cool! Now I know why you kept asking for pics / deacts. Excellent "outside the box" thinking! I like it! Pity there isn't an easy way to make it "more" FAL (ie: 7.62x51).

I think this is an excellent idea, and very good for an work in progress prototype. I am trying to imagine the finished project, or version 2.0 with the front sight / gas block welded on and the front handguards and flash supressor threaded on. I think once you are done, the only way to tell it is an SKS will be the upper receiver and bolt, and even that can be worked a bit more.

Keep up the good work! If it works well at the end, I can see other people following your example. I won't donate any of my FNs, but I have a Norc SKS, and if I found a junk deact Indian, one of them might just be me!
 
For a self taught machinist/gunsmith I think you did a great job with the engineering of your project. One area I would address prior to any clean-up for asthetic reasons would be to find someone that could TIG the SKS upper to your FAL lower. Good weld penetration will have you happily blasting away and not worrying about the durability of your project.

Awesome project Wally. I think it's going to cause a run on "beater" SKS's though. :D
 
Very creative. You got me on this one ;). Invest in a TIG with HF start , it will make your future projects way easier.
Just wondering which firearm will be the next "victim" with cancerous growth in the form of a beater SKS inside:D.
 
I'm not saying that I would shoot it, but I'm damn proud of the guys like you who are willing to put the work in and make the attempt. I'd say that all things considered, you've really got something to be proud of there. Congrats!

P.S. Are you/Are you allowed, to change the charging handle from right to left?
 
trouble-shooting a troubled shooter

Here's the question for the cgn community:

Provided that there is more than enough projection of the firing pin for proper primer strike,

and

Provided that the FAL hammer spring is housed inside a piston that is not alterable,

and

Provided that the barrel is not slipping in the reciever (it was suggested elsewhere that the barrel is moving forwards, however I've been keeping an eye on it and it hasn't moved).

How do I increase striking force on the firing pin? I know I need more force, and force = mass x acceleration. Therefore, I need to add considereably more mass, or considerably more acceleration. I need someone out there who can figure out a much heavier hammer, or a way to make a more powerful piston spring

The formula is correct, change any one value and the equation changes.

The hammer spring plunger is a pretty compact little unit. Although I never gave it much thought, there is obviously a lot of force packed in there. Is it possible, you just have a weak one?

Someone suggested the hammer is not striking squarely. Any way of checking? What about grating or burring somewhere along its swing? You could polish the sides where it rotates and shine the pivot pin. Maybe the hammer is hitting the end of the firing pin too low for maximum energy transfer. I somehow think that the force on the end of a lever is stronger than nearer the fulcrum. (All you physics majors will not doubt correct the history guy.)

Have you thought about polishand lube for the firing pin channel in the bolt? A little lube does make things move more quickly, and usually with a happier ending than before.

Finally,
 
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