Sks with black bayonet?
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They’ve been refurbished by the Russians ... often the bolt, barrel and bayonet get this black bbq paint put on them. Some of these rifles were shot a bunch and then refurbished to shootable condition .. some were given a new stock either with force matched serial numbers or a newer laminate stock. Lots of older threads on refurbished sks. After, they were refurbed, they were packed in cosmoline and store for decades ... intended for some big war or to supply Russian allies around the world, but instead, 60-70 years later, sold to Canadians. There are also gold colored bayonets from refurb for SKS too and some SVT 40’s and Star Model B’s have a purple hue from their refurb process.
IMHO-- this type of blued bayo (not bbq painted) -- much like the golden bayos-- are not a definitive indicator of arsenal rebuild..They very commonly appear on near pristine rifles with no refurb stamps or indications of rebuild. Which suggests that the bluing is a measure of corrosion protection for long term storage.
Soviet small arms bear significant evidence that regular inspection and maintenance were standard-- even for weapons that went straight from production into long term storage
Soviet small arms bear significant evidence that regular inspection and maintenance were standard-- even for weapons that went straight from production into long term storage
Yes I have two of them and they are the nicest finish of any I have or had, very very good refurbs!
I like the Russian SKS's that were shipped to Germany and then made to look good, after refurbishment.Instead of BBQ paint they were blued and polished, and shot great as well.Serial numbers even matched, instead of getting thrown into a bin of paint, and scrapped together ,any part for any gun, like nobody cared if they went bang or not, in the end.Steyr did a much better job at refurbishing Mausers, than the Russians did as well.
As I have said before, in the years I've been buying, collecting and enjoying sks I have only seen about 3 sks with what I would call paint, BBQ or not, the others were a couple different types of parkerizing/coatings they were probably experimenting with, similar to most of the military and hunting firearms we have now! The ones I have seem to be very tough and look as good as our modern coated rifles! It is cheaper and quicker than blueing but to some of us not as pretty!
I agree that blued (and also golden) bayos aren't necessarily refurbs--i.e. used and rebuilt carbines.) However, there is no evidence that the soviets blued or gold dipped the blade bayos on new manufactured sks blade bayonets.
From 1956-1958 the Type56 is an exact copy of the final soviet sks design. The first 2-3 years of Chinese manufacture were directly overseen by soviet techs and managers on soviet made machinery-- essentially a de facto third Soviet sks factory, at least for those first early years.
And the early Chinese type56 blade bayonets bear no evidence of bluing or gold dip. Same goes for the contemporary Romanian made M56's.
I think there is substantial evidence that points to post manufacture maintenance where bluing, paint and golden dips were anti-corrosion measures for long term storage.
Just my two cents.
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Here, I corrected it for you: "However, I don't know that the soviets blued or gold dipped the blade bayos on new manufactured sks blade bayonets."
You've basically said the exact same thing.
Which brings us right back to the claim i made: there is NO evidence that the the Soviets blued or gold dipped the sks bayonets as part of original manufacture.
There is, however, significant evidence that they did not. If you've got evidence to the contrary, please share it.
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Ok, genius:
The amusing part about your post is that in an attempt to be clever, and appear more intelligent than you perhaps are IRL, you've incorrectly applied the "absence of evidence" fallacy.
Case in point:
Me: "There is no evidence of flying giraffes."
Now, @Axelord, feel free to prove that this absence of evidence doesn't negate the existence of flying giraffes. (I won't hold my breath waiting)
The simple fact is that very often absence of evidence IS evidence of absence.
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You clearly haven't changed, Boris, still thinking you possess all and latest knowledge on SKS topics? Allow me to rephrase. You don't know such evidences, however there are ppl that know and guess why? Because they do exist. That's why I said that there factory produced blued bayonet, not because of some interesting logic like the one you like to apply to this topic.
All you have to do is offer some evidence. Or make a logical explanation why you think the soviets blued or gold dipped bayonets at original manufacture. However, simply saying that they did isn't evidence. That's just hearsay.
Here are some facts:
1)We know for a fact that Soviet techs and managers were running a de facto third sks factory in china.
2.) From 1956-1958 the sks produced in China under Soviet supervision were EXACT copies of the 1956-1958 Soviet Letter guns: Blank Covers, serial only stock, no numeric date, serial stamps and EP's on all the same parts and in the exact same patterns, bottom mounted rear sling swivel, etc. I repeat: an EXACT copy of the contemporaneously manufactured soviet sks45.
3.) These EXACT soviet copies --have no blued or golden bayonets
4.) Simultaneous production in Romania 1956--1959, bears no evidence of bluing or golden bayonets either.
Horilka, instead of getting offended and attacking me, why not make an attempt to refute the points in the logical argument i have made?
If your (imho) baseless claim has any merit, you should be able to back it up with a better explanation than: "because I said so."
Here are some facts:
1)We know for a fact that Soviet techs and managers were running a de facto third sks factory in china.
2.) From 1956-1958 the sks produced in China under Soviet supervision were EXACT copies of the 1956-1958 Soviet Letter guns: Blank Covers, serial only stock, no numeric date, serial stamps and EP's on all the same parts and in the exact same patterns, bottom mounted rear sling swivel, etc. I repeat: an EXACT copy of the contemporaneously manufactured soviet sks45.
3.) These EXACT soviet copies --have no blued or golden bayonets
4.) Simultaneous production in Romania 1956--1959, bears no evidence of bluing or golden bayonets either.
Horilka, instead of getting offended and attacking me, why not make an attempt to refute the points in the logical argument i have made?
If your (imho) baseless claim has any merit, you should be able to back it up with a better explanation than: "because I said so."
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