skulls and head shots

[Mumbles Marble Mouth]

If you want proof of what a .30-06 will do to a deer here, I'll post some pictures, you might get squeamish. Zero brain matter = zero suffering. A lung shot in these deer just ruins meat.

The small hole in one rib, and another slightly larger hole in the other rib isn't much wasted meat.

But then the day that you miss because the deer was turning its head and you rip its jaw off is going to be lots of suffering for the animal.

 

[canadian hunter312]

If you want proof of what a .30-06 will do to a deer here, I'll post some pictures, you might get squeamish. Zero brain matter = zero suffering. A lung shot in these deer just ruins meat.

I'd like to see some pics of a few of those "hundreds" of deer that you've shot.

You must be one of the greatest hunters and shooters on earth to have taken hundreds of deer without losing a single animal, every one requiring only 1 shot, and having every single one die instantly.


Can you mail me your autograph?

 

[canadian hunter312]

The small hole in one rib, and another slightly larger hole in the other rib isn't much wasted meat.

But then the day that you miss because the deer was turning its head and you rip its jaw off is going to be lots of suffering for the animal.

It doesn't matter if the deer in his area move as he's shooting. Didn't you see his post explaining that hitting the special deer anywhere near the head with his special boolets results in an instant kill?

 

[waterwheel]

You must be one of the greatest hunters and shooters on earth to have taken hundreds of deer without losing a single animal, every one requiring only 1 shot, and having every single one die instantly.


Can you mail me your autograph?

It's not any more unbelievable than my experience where I unleash a tsunami of lead at 40 years at a deer, the deer looks at me, then wanders away completely unscathed. Would you like my autograph .

 

[jjohnwm]

Zero brain matter = zero suffering.

I guess you must go around smiling all the time then?

Seriously, some of the guys on here sound like they would be in big trouble if their parents found out what they are posting. But the real credit for this thread has to go to the OP, once the zombies got him thinking. Correct me if I'm wrong, and apologies if I am...but isn't this Mr. Shoot-Into-Space himself? If so, it's only a matter of time before he starts in with "I never actually said that...you guys are taking this out of context...I was just hypothesizing..."

Yeah, I thought about actually looking it up...but I just don't give a $%^&!!

 

[westcoastshooter]

Haha, I'm surprised at how many dicks are on here. 20+ years of hunting, head shots only, has served me well! I have never had a single wounded deer, just dead. My freezer as well as many other families' are full this winter thanks to that! A .30-06 inside of 200yds is no match for a 80lb Blacktail. I'm sorry if you feel threatened by my ability to provide meat for my family, but at 15/yr, I make sure I don't miss. Believe me or not, it makes no difference, my freezer is full I'm a Newbie to this site, not to hunting or gun ownership.

 

[rhino519]

alright, you are back peddling there a bit, so how about some pictures of "a hundreds of deer shot"? That's a above average tally, got to be a record, unless you ment some of them were farm slaughtered animals?

 

[carverk]

On our islands Head shots have always been preferred it's much better to have the animal drop where they stand and don't matter what caliber of rifle when shooting at close range
Guys get into trouble when making head shots at longer ranges
The odd guy will take a lung shot if the Blacktail is standing in an open clear cut
Myself I always go for a head or a high neck shot when Hunting our Blacktail deer
Hunting on the mainland where the animals are bigger and and shots are further away I always go for a hart and lung shot

closer ranges definitely headshot are preferred
At longer ranges heart and lung only
These are the rules I go bye

 

[carverk]

alright, you are back peddling there a bit, so how about some pictures of "a hundreds of deer shot"? That's a above average tally, got to be a record, unless you ment some of them were farm slaughtered animals?

He's not talking about farm animals
Actually it's not a record it's quite common here I think most of you would be quite surprised at how many deer one man can harvest in a year if he knows what he's doing and where to go and believe me most of us Haida Gwaii guys do know what we're doing and where to go
I know Who WestCoastshooter is he is a very good hunter he does supply meat in the freezer for almost a dozen families every year
Most guys from our little islands will harvest more deer in one season then most CGN Will in their entire life (not trying to start anything just stating a fact)

 

[ironsighter]

Anyone else find it odd that the anti-head-shot people jump all over hunters who take head shots on deer and moose, but those same people will often recommend head shots on rabbits, grouse, etc.?

It is as if they think some species are more or less deserving of a "humane" heart/lung shot than other species. This is nonsense. An injured snowshoe hare will suffer just as much as an injured mule deer.

In the end, it is 100% up to the individual hunter to decide what they are comfortable with. I am comfortable shooting snowshoe hares in the head every time, out to about 80 yards or so. If a hare doesn't present a head shot, he/she lives (for a few more days, anyway). Based on this, I would not hesitate (and have not) to blast a deer in the head within that same range. A deer's head is far, far larger than a snowshoe hare's head.

If you can't shoot this well, or the situation creates conditions that make it difficult to shoot this well, then don't do it. Stick to the boiler room. Pretty damned simple.

 

[Superbrad]

Anyone else find it odd that the anti-head-shot people jump all over hunters who take head shots on deer and moose, but those same people will often recommend head shots on rabbits, grouse, etc.?

It is as if they think some species are more or less deserving of a "humane" heart/lung shot than other species. This is nonsense. An injured snowshoe hare will suffer just as much as an injured mule deer.

In the end, it is 100% up to the individual hunter to decide what they are comfortable with. I am comfortable shooting snowshoe hares in the head every time, out to about 80 yards or so. If a hare doesn't present a head shot, he/she lives (for a few more days, anyway). Based on this, I would not hesitate (and have not) to blast a deer in the head within that same range. A deer's head is far, far larger than a snowshoe hare's head.

If you can't shoot this well, or the situation creates conditions that make it difficult to shoot this well, then don't do it. Stick to the boiler room. Pretty damned simple.

A rabbit or grouse do not exhibit nearly as much head movement as a deer... complete apples to oranges comparison there....

 

[brybenn]

Knife in the skull. Doesn't work. Blade behind the back of the skull extremely effective. I've knifed a few wounded deer. It's the hooves you gotta watch not the antlers.

 

[ironsighter]

A rabbit or grouse do not exhibit nearly as much head movement as a deer... complete apples to oranges comparison there....

Well, perhaps the grouse in Ontario are different than BC grouse, but I would argue that a grouse moves its head far more than a deer. Snowshoe hares can bolt at any time, moving not just their head but their whole body.

I am pretty sure I would have as much success shooting apples as I would shooting oranges.

 

[carverk]

When we were kids we were taught to hunt deer with a 22LR
With a 22LR where is only two places to shoot a deer for a quick humane kill head or high neck shot
When we were kids it worked with the 22lr but now that we are older we get to have better rifles better calibers and a well-placed shot to the head or neck still Provides a humane kill

 

[hawk-i]

Most all of the animals I hunt are taken with lung/heart shots....If I'm teaching a young person to hunt I always recommend going for the heart/lung shot, its the biggest target and leaves the most room for error. However, if the circumstances provide I will and have occasionally taken a head shot. There is nothing unethical about doing so, and a properly executed head shot will produce an instantaneous humane kill.

 

[Superbrad]

Well, perhaps the grouse in Ontario are different than BC grouse, but I would argue that a grouse moves its head far more than a deer. Snowshoe hares can bolt at any time, moving not just their head but their whole body.

I am pretty sure I would have as much success shooting apples as I would shooting oranges.

LOL.... apples make better bait....

Grouse head movement = pivoting on a base, yes rabbits can take off at any point as can deer. Difference in regards to head movement is deer standing with head upright decides to munch on a blade of grass means head moves what? 3-4 feet in the matter of a second?

I hunt grouse exclusive;y with a shotgun so that is somewhat of a moot point to me... as for buniies, well I have shot sevral and never seen one hopping around with it's lower jaw missing.... deer on the other hand....

 

[hawk-i]

When we were kids we were taught to hunt deer with a 22LR
With a 22LR where is only two places to shoot a deer for a quick humane kill head or high neck shot
When we were kids it worked with the 22lr but now that we are older we get to have better rifles better calibers and a well-placed shot to the head or neck still Provides a humane kill

Carverk, I've hunted Haida Gwaii before and a lot of times the head and neck is all one can see on those little deer in thick brush...also the shots are quite often at close range so heads shots in most cases are not a problem.

 

[ironsighter]

Ultimately, there are just too many factors to consider; therefore any general statement such as "NEVER take head shots" or "head shots are always the best choice" simply don't apply.

Again, it is up to the person pulling the trigger. I would never recommend that someone should take a head shot if I wasn't convinced they could do it. I will teach my daughter to take heart/lung shots. When she can shoot better than me (it is bound to happen, I think, as she is already very good at 11 years old) then I will let her decide. She will understand that it is her sole responsibility to make that call, as it is for each of us. The deer with missing jaws were shot by people who made the wrong call - a hasty decision fueled by buck fever. Usually, they only have to learn that lesson once.

 

[carverk]

Carverk, I've hunted Haida Gwaii before and a lot of times the head and neck is all one can see on those little deer in thick brush...also the shots are quite often at close range so heads shots in most cases are not a problem.[/

all my life I have never see any animal running around missing their lower jaw except a couple that were hit by vehicles

 

[carverk]

Carverk, I've hunted Haida Gwaii before and a lot of times the head and neck is all one can see on those little deer in thick brush...also the shots are quite often at close range so heads shots in most cases are not a problem.

And if a deer runs off 30 yards most likely you will never find it
On island I will stick with the headshot regardless what others say I trust my own personal experience over anything else