A creeper is the road hunter of waterfowling. They typically drive around watching the fields or roadside ponds looking for a flock of birds feeding or at roost to creep up on and swat. More than a few hunters set up in layout blinds amongst there decoys have been shot by creepers thinking that decoys were live birds. When someone slows down or rolls into my field I wave my goose flag and if that doesn't get them moving I get right out of the blind.
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A creeper is the road hunter of waterfowling. They typically drive around watching the fields or roadside ponds looking for a flock of birds feeding or at roost to creep up on and swat. More than a few hunters set up in layout blinds amongst there decoys have been shot by creepers thinking that decoys were live birds. When someone slows down or rolls into my field I wave my goose flag and if that doesn't get them moving I get right out of the blind.
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depends on the shells as to what is skybusting in my oppinion...
I can reach 50 yrds pretty good with some shells, and with others it would be a luck BB at that range...
so, basically beyong 50 yrds for me is skybusting... however...
I have shot a few birds at 55 and 60 just due to poor jusgement of distance.
50-10 yrds one way or the other on a flying pass shot can be difficult sometimes to estimate. I take the side of caution, and when I do f up and have a cripple at 60 yrds or 55 yrds, I quickly am put back on track. When I get the ´dead in the air´ at 55 yrds or 60 yrds, I am very pleased, but know damn well that there was little skill involved on my part, and that for me it is the exception and not the rule. A 55 yard or 60 yrd cripple or kill, is the result of misjudging distances on my part...and the result luck...
I can reach 50 yrds pretty good with some shells, and with others it would be a luck BB at that range...
so, basically beyong 50 yrds for me is skybusting... however...
I have shot a few birds at 55 and 60 just due to poor jusgement of distance.
50-10 yrds one way or the other on a flying pass shot can be difficult sometimes to estimate. I take the side of caution, and when I do f up and have a cripple at 60 yrds or 55 yrds, I quickly am put back on track. When I get the ´dead in the air´ at 55 yrds or 60 yrds, I am very pleased, but know damn well that there was little skill involved on my part, and that for me it is the exception and not the rule. A 55 yard or 60 yrd cripple or kill, is the result of misjudging distances on my part...and the result luck...
M12shooter
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The ban on lead shot and use of iron shot by most waterfowl hunters should have ended skybusting. Steel rarely kills effectively past 40 yards IMO. High speed steel these days is a vast improvement to the total crap early steel shotshells. Still making up for a ballisticly inferior metal to lead with increased velocity only has pellets pass through birds with little initial stopping power. The only way I shoot waterfowl in marshes these days is with a open choke and #6 steel. keep shots inside of 35 yards and this kills almost as well as lead.
True enough sealhunter. I've a friend who's used Rem hevishot for a long time and has learned to use it effectively to 60 yds with perdy much one shot kills.
Good shooting comes at a price with many days in the field and lots of exposure to game and shooting availability.
Steel shot will not do it for me any more either. High speed or not. It's all a lie about their high speed as it slows so fast and with their larger diameter, dont penetrate worth a darn.
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Federal BLACK CLOUD is steel with a few slicer pellets and is slower then the 1625 fps steel I normally use. It's not a 60 yards shell. You really need to pattern steel at 40-50 yards and see your patterns, I'll bet most are surprised how many huge gaps they see.
Heres a 40 yards pattern from my 935, with Mod Kicks high flyer choke and kent 3 1/2" 1 1/4oz #1 1625fps. paper is 28"x28"
Id love to seem some 50 yard patterns with BB steel.
Heres a 40 yards pattern from my 935, with Mod Kicks high flyer choke and kent 3 1/2" 1 1/4oz #1 1625fps. paper is 28"x28"
Id love to seem some 50 yard patterns with BB steel.
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Federal BLACK CLOUD is steel with a few slicer pellets and is slower then the 1625 fps steel I normally use. It's not a 60 yards shell. You really need to pattern steel at 40-50 yards and see your patterns, I'll bet most are surprised how many huge gaps they see.
Heres a 40 yards pattern from my 935, with Mod Kicks high flyer choke and kent 3 1/2" 1 1/4oz #1 1625fps. paper is 28"x28"
Id love to seem some 50 yard patterns with BB steel.
going to the range saturday! i will pattern some steel i have at 40-50yards, and try to pick up some BB.(just for you)
Great stuff, what gun you pumping them out of?
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I used #4 Hevi-shot this year for about half of my birds(geese) and BBB Blackcloud for a quarter and miscellaneous cheapo Federal BB for the rest. My observations were as follows:
Hevi-shot #4's killed birds out to 60 yards mostly because of the large number of pellets which lead to many birds being struck in the head as well as beaking both wings in some cases.
Blackcloud BBB's killed birds well out to 50 yards but was obviously (to me any way) harder to hit with, I never recovered a pellet I believe most if not all exited ( a very common occurence, not sure why people trash steels penetrating power as it is superior to lead in thar respect)
Cheapo BB's killed the birds over the decoys well enough and were ok to 45 or so yards birds shot with these tended to fall with a broken wing or lung shot.
Sorry for the rant guys.
I will pattern the loads I used this weekend as i lost my old files.
Hevi-shot #4's killed birds out to 60 yards mostly because of the large number of pellets which lead to many birds being struck in the head as well as beaking both wings in some cases.
Blackcloud BBB's killed birds well out to 50 yards but was obviously (to me any way) harder to hit with, I never recovered a pellet I believe most if not all exited ( a very common occurence, not sure why people trash steels penetrating power as it is superior to lead in thar respect)
Cheapo BB's killed the birds over the decoys well enough and were ok to 45 or so yards birds shot with these tended to fall with a broken wing or lung shot.
Sorry for the rant guys.
I will pattern the loads I used this weekend as i lost my old files.
Crazy_Farmer
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Black cloud is just another marketting tool to get you to buy them. Doesnt hit them or kill them any better then the rest. Same goes for a new line from Hevi Shot called Hevi-Metal.
I've shot a few rounds of Hevi-shot all different sizes, my brothers the one who uses it more then me. I've seen a few amazing shots with it, albeit he aimed at the lead bird and stoned dead the 4th back, we're talking stone dead at 55-60 yards. But day in and out over the decoys is how we hunt geese and ducks and under 40 yards I know theres a difference in shotshell potential and quality but we kill the same amount everytime we go out, shooting the same decoying birds mostly under 30 yards.
Pattern your guns, and you'll find which shell and sizes work best.
And skybustin' well theres a few here who do it, not too many so its okay but its a no-no in our books to try and reach out past 50 yards to hit stuff. If it aint coming into your spread or pass shooting the right way dont take the shot.
I've shot a few rounds of Hevi-shot all different sizes, my brothers the one who uses it more then me. I've seen a few amazing shots with it, albeit he aimed at the lead bird and stoned dead the 4th back, we're talking stone dead at 55-60 yards
. But day in and out over the decoys is how we hunt geese and ducks and under 40 yards I know theres a difference in shotshell potential and quality but we kill the same amount everytime we go out, shooting the same decoying birds mostly under 30 yards. Pattern your guns, and you'll find which shell and sizes work best.
And skybustin' well theres a few here who do it, not too many so its okay but its a no-no in our books to try and reach out past 50 yards to hit stuff. If it aint coming into your spread or pass shooting the right way dont take the shot.
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A Remington 1100 with the 3" magnum receiver, modified choke.
i have some 2.75" #2 steel.
2.75" BB (sorry all they had)
and for a bonus some 2.75" "magnum" #5 (lead) that i use for crows.
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Winchester xpert, 12g, 2 3/4", 1550fps, 1 1/16oz, BB shot.
first is 30 yards
second is 50 yards
third is 40 yards
sorry, i forgot the rest at home.
first is 30 yards
second is 50 yards
third is 40 yards
sorry, i forgot the rest at home.
Perdy sorry looking patterns regardless of range. BB's always been that way though.
Thats why I'm going to hevi shot from now on.
Being a relatively good shot, I think I'll save money and frustration hitting a bird with one hevi shot load, instead of firing three steels and wondering what happened.
Thats why I'm going to hevi shot from now on.
Being a relatively good shot, I think I'll save money and frustration hitting a bird with one hevi shot load, instead of firing three steels and wondering what happened.
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Pretty scary 40 and 50 yard patterns eh.
no kiddin! i guess i'll try some different loads/brands?
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^ i think this is a good reason to buy a new 12g! what's your set up?
I'm a big fan of Kent Fasteel 3" #1. Speed kills.
the spank
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Last year we statred putting signs up......hunt in progress,your'e looking at men and decoys!!
