Slam-fire shotguns

If the RCMP were all hot and bothered by the concept of the dreaded "lack of trigger disconnect" on manually cycled firearms, all they would have to do is grab some of their samples off the shelf and try them out. (They probably have this "dreaded technology" also.)

Indeed, an OIC based on the peddly discussion on this thread is a little bit of a longshot. This is not new by any stretch of imagination, and discussing it isint gonna bring the black helicopters to your homes. ;)

It should be reinforced that modern pumps are not really manufactured with this capability anymore, and I would speculate that this is because it is not an incredibly relevant feature for most modern shotgunning tasks. As previously stated, with practice and trigger discipline, you can likely achieve the same results, with greater accuracy.

All this to say: I'm convinced. There is no real or precieved benefit to be achieved by employing shotguns in the "slam-fire" manner. (believe it or not, I knew this from the beginning. :) ) I'm still keen on trying it out, and this tread can serve as a means for folks who are interested to discuss the technique and some of the firearms which can be employed.

(The haters should not feel compelled to throw their two cents in, but by all means, if it'll make your day... :confused: )

Back to our regularly schedualled programming? Or shall the death-spiral continue?
 
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As long as the guy next to me at the range is doing his thing safely, I couldn't care less how he chooses to send lead downrange, that includes "slam firing"!
 
a comment on the Ithaca 37 the change happened a round 1978 till then you could do the the slam fire technique. Back when I was making a living as a gunsmith on occasion someone would come into the shop with a 37 or a model 12 and complain that the firearm would malfunction because when they closed the action the gun would fire I would tell them they had there finger on the trigger and there usual response was no I didn't then I would show them they had no idea. The model 12 is so well designed it would still function with a broken firing pin because of the taper design a 870 or 37 would have the firing pin fly out the front of the breech bolt if it was broken .
 
To my way of thinking slam firing a pump shotgun is about as useful as fanning a single action revolver. You can empty the gun quickly, increase the wear considerably, but still not hit anything. If you inadvertantly slam fire you need to work on your technique, if you purposely slam fire you will have to relearn the proper technique . . . "Gitch yur damn finger offn the trigger!"
 
I have a model 12 and have slam fired it a few times on a large metal can. Lots of fun and no it isn't difficult to do, nor does it make you miss your target.

As far as wearing out a pump gun or causing damage to it, that's just silly. I suppose the firing of any gun at any time causes wear. The more shots you take, the more wear. It will still last longer than your lifetime and maybe even the next generation.

Pumps that are slam-fired are still darn slow compared to any semi-auto out there. You still have to physically pump the gun back and forth compared to repeatedly pulling a trigger.

If you want one and think it's a fun feature, go get one and enjoy. You'll quickly get bored with the idea and find it has little real life purpose... except maybe when the zombies finally attack! Of course, then you'll want one of those short little barreled Chinese shotties, because that's the only thing they're really good for.:p:D
 
Hammer fanning, trigger fanning, bump firing, slam firing.... These are all things that many folks experiment with.

But this phase passes.
 
Woodsman said:
I have a model 12 and have slam fired it a few times on a large metal can. Lots of fun and no it isn't difficult to do, nor does it make you miss your target.

As far as wearing out a pump gun or causing damage to it, that's just silly. I suppose the firing of any gun at any time causes wear. The more shots you take, the more wear. It will still last longer than your lifetime and maybe even the next generation.

Pumps that are slam-fired are still darn slow compared to any semi-auto out there. You still have to physically pump the gun back and forth compared to repeatedly pulling a trigger.

If you want one and think it's a fun feature, go get one and enjoy. You'll quickly get bored with the idea and find it has little real life purpose... except maybe when the zombies finally attack! Of course, then you'll want one of those short little barreled Chinese shotties, because that's the only thing they're really good for.:p:D
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If you are hitting your targets you are slam firing at about the same rate of fire as you need to reacquire your target and press the trigger - except that it is pretty tough to keep on target as you push the slide forward, even if you do it slowly. Try this test. Put up some 8.5"X11" paper targets and from 25 yards slam fire at them with slugs, then repeat using the proper technique.

If you don't think slam firing causes additional wear to the gun I'll remember not to buy any guns you offer for sale. Consider that the gun may fire before the breech block is fully in battery. Consider the dinky little pin on a M-37 that attaches the bolt slide to the action bar, and how easily it might be sheared off when the slide moves reward with greater force after the gun fires slightly out of battery. Consider that when the firing pin impacts the primer under the force of slamming the slide home that more energy is exerted on it than from the force of the impact from the hammer. Any gun that is regularly fired in a manner other than as it was designed will wear more quickly.

Anyone who is any good with a pump can acquire multiple moving targets and hit them as quickly as the gas gun shooter, unless the gas gun shooter is an exibition shooter.
 
Boomer said:
If you are hitting your targets you are slam firing at about the same rate of fire as you need to reacquire your target and press the trigger - except that it is pretty tough to keep on target as you push the slide forward, even if you do it slowly. Try this test. Put up some 8.5"X11" paper targets and from 25 yards slam fire at them with slugs, then repeat using the proper technique.

If you don't think slam firing causes additional wear to the gun I'll remember not to buy any guns you offer for sale. Consider that the gun may fire before the breech block is fully in battery. Consider the dinky little pin on a M-37 that attaches the bolt slide to the action bar, and how easily it might be sheared off when the slide moves reward with greater force after the gun fires slightly out of battery. Consider that when the firing pin impacts the primer under the force of slamming the slide home that more energy is exerted on it than from the force of the impact from the hammer. Any gun that is regularly fired in a manner other than as it was designed will wear more quickly.

Anyone who is any good with a pump can acquire multiple moving targets and hit them as quickly as the gas gun shooter, unless the gas gun shooter is an exibition shooter.
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Damn straight. Every word of it. Slam firing is as useful as hair on a bowling ball.
 
Just curious: Are we talking about one long press of the trigger, and each pump fires the gun?

Opinion: Either way, this is in the top 10 list of stupid threads. Bump firing on a PUMP sounds so stupid. Bump firing on a semi-auto, while still stupid at least presents you with a moment of hillbilly fun so I can understand this.

I don't get it, what is the interest/advantage/purpose of bump firing pumps?
 
Slam Fire........... does this qualify?

Hi Guys,

Several years ago I seen a very interesting shotgun at a US show. It was a single shot shotgun manufactured by "COBRAY".

It operated with a reciprocating barrel (much like the Browning Auto 5). A shell was inserted though the port in the side of the receiver into the BARREL. When the gun was fired, the barrel moved rearward (with shell) and contacted a fixed firing pin in the base of the receiver. The shell fired and the barrel moved forward ejecting the spent cartride and stopped, ready for a fresh round to be inserted.

This was essentialy a single shot "blow back" shotgun. The advantage was that there was no operator movements for extraction. All you had to do was stuff shells in and fire. Very fast for a single shot.

It was metal tube and welded construction, much like a sten gun with a wire stock.

I have never seen once since. This was a true "slam fire" with a fixed protruding firing pin.

Cheers,

Bill
 
I'm sorry, I must be sadly mistaken here... I thought the OP said:
Eric_911 said:
I would like to know from the shotgun guru's out there: What models of shotguns have the capability of slam firing? (or within what years of production for certain models?)
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NOT: "I want to hear you guys whine negatively about slam firing".

I think we've established it's inaccuracy, uselessness, and apparent excessive wear based on your responses. So no need for more of those posts.

Now that we have been "warned", can we please get back on discussion. This post is for people who are obviously interested in giving this a try, and having a little fun! No need for you others to get all huffy and puffy about what we do in our spare time.

We know for sure the 3 the OP has mentioned (including repro copies), are there any others? Or are there any mods to be done to allow this function on a modern shotgun, if so could you name it or link it?
 
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I'm perplexed at what all the fuss is about. The OP simply asked if there were other shotguns that fired when pumped while the trigger was held back. :confused:

I'm pretty sure that NWEST knows about it. Guns that do this have only been around for over a century. It's not illegal, life threatening nor does it damage the gun. A pump gun mechanism is very different than an single-action revolver.

Pump-firing is fun the first couple of times you try it and then it becomes old very quickly. And no it's not "tactical" for those that fuss and fret about such things and are self-declared internet experts on the subject. :rolleyes:

Norinco clones excepted no current pump gun offers this "feature" that I'm aware of and even those that once did such as the Ithaca 37 and Winchester Model 12 installed disconnectors in later versions.

In a world of big deals this isn't one of them.
 
Some of the recoil operated semi-autos are so fast you can have all the cases from the magazine empty and in the air at the same time! What's the point of the pump? What's the point of more than three? Good luck hitting anything!
 
I find it funny how a lot of people in this thread are conveying that the anti's would do something logical.

They don't want to ban certain guns. They want to ban all guns.

They don't want to ban guns based on what they do.

They want bans on what scares them the most.

Even when they face proven logic, they go off on an illogical tangent.
 
cyclone said:
For shotguns that are potentially 100+ years old? :eek:

That'd be a new low, even for our foes...:(

But, speaking more practically, the slam-fire (cap)ability has been common knowledge for a very long time (Ithaca 37's made as "late" the 1950's could do it ;)) so, in my usual naivety :redface:, I'd be more inclined to doubt chances of a sudden policy-change based solely on a CGN'ers list of 3 shotgun models...:yingyang:
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Well apparently little revolvers with barrels shorter than 105mm are weapons of mass destruction and must be banned.

As for 'fuss', anything that sounds evil is banned. Why must there be lists of 'evil' ?
 
nothing ilegal about m97 (winchester 1897) or older ithica 37 (m37) slam firing. it isn't a malfunction it is the way the bolt and action was made. the bolt is solid going back and forth like a lever action. winchester 97 's claim to fame is ww1 the trench sweeping. hold back the trigger and pump. it got popular in the movies because the fbi and law enforcment were using it in the 30's to fight gangsters. the 97 or the 37 are a must have for a shotgun. rugged and simple.
 
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