Sling swivels question. Large hole studs.

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What can you do with large hole studs meant for fish hook slings or tie on slings? Is it a replace them with modern ones type of situation?

I have a nice p14 sporter with them. Really needs a sling to come out in the field with me though.
 
A good stud has a backing nut on the inside of the barrel channel. The rear stud needs a properly drilled pilot hole so that there is plenty of grip. Off center or poorly located sling studs bother me. I’ve plugged wood ones and had them redrilled. A press or milling machine with a sharp bit is the easiest way to get them straight and proper. A forstner bit works well inside the barrel channel to countersink the nut.

Epoxy is a permanent solution to a messy hole. Toothpicks broken off into a slightly big hole can work to tighten it up but it’s always a good reminder to what might happen if a loaded gun comes off your shoulder and hits the ground because of a improper fit sling stud.

Take it to a gunsmith if you are unsure
 
Quick detach swivels come with a fairly large insert to install in the stock, glue or screw, then you have the option of swivelled or take it off for a smooth handle
 
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When I had this built, I picked English style studs for aesthetic reasons, and I found one with thin enough ring that I could clip a normal QD swivel to it. The front swivel was built to match.

The other option would be to take a leather thong and modify the sling and just tie it on. That's also the quietest option.

It will be really difficult to match the wood colour if you fill the holes with a dowel, if that matters.
 

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If the hole is just a tiny bit oversized (like stripped threads) I’ve found a bit of steel wool is enough for the screw to bite. If it’s very oversized a wood plug as mentioned above or threaded brass fitting can be easily made and epoxied in.

Matching the wood colour can be a challenge if you don’t have a plug cutter available and plan to use cheap doweling. Making it an intentional “feature” can look okay though it can also make it look a bit bubba.

You can always just get the right swivels that fit that hole too. They’ve got to be out there somewhere.
 
They seem to be difficult to source. Any ideas?

I was able to buy two sets over past year (?) on CGN EE - some people (like me) call them "fish hook" sling swivels, so that might make difference to find them. Was some Winchester rifles supplied with them - also were made by Parker Hale in England, and maybe others - I do know the "Winchester made" and the "Parker Hale made" have different features - do the same job, but are different to each other. I notice many of the BSA sporter conversions used that old style "eye" and sling hook - why I wanted some. They came with various width loops for different width slings. I am not real sure that anyone has made them for say past 30 or more years? - I have never seen "new" ones offered for sale by any retailer.

Another option - not sure if made "new" any more, but I got a couple sets on CGN EE - they are the spring loaded recessed sling studs - drill a much larger diameter hole into the wood stock - the brad point bit here for them is 31/64" - base unit screws into that hole to be flush more or less - then the sling part has like a "T" shaped nose to it - push in and give the thing 90 degree rotation to anchor the sling swivel in there - when removed, is no stud sticking out - is more or less smooth surface to the wood stock.

And, like others who posted - I received at least two rifles with the Quick Detach studs installed visibly off centre and "crooked" to centre line of the stock - I drilled hole and inserted birch (?) / poplar (?) dowels - worked them down to match to the contour of the stock - not a hope for me to get staining to match - so they are fairly obvious, if you look. One was installed (to me) in entirely wrong place - like 1" from the butt - so I installed replacement more like 3" from the butt - leaving that filled hole to be seen.

Through Lee Valley, I also got a set of "Snug Plug Cutters" made by Veritas - they make a taper sided "plug" - three diameters in the kit - you drill a clean sharp hole into the stock - then I cut "plugs" from inside of barrel channel - thinking that getting "plug" from same piece of wood, they would stain much closer than the end grain on the dowels - and turned out that it is really important to match the grain "exactly" when installing those plugs - rim of hole was nearly invisible, but I messed up and did not get the grain direction exactly the same - so again, fairly obvious to see if you look. The holes dug out on inside got filled with epoxy when I epoxy bedded those stocks.
 
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Winchester pattern hooks can be had from Jeff's Outfitters. jeffsoutfitters.com.

There would also be the option of installing Pachmayr flush mount bases. These install in a larger diameter hole and use a push and twist sling loop with a "T" end. The mounting hole is larger than what is already in the rifle. Installation has to be done carefully, of course.
 
Thanks for the options. Frick, 84 usd for those sling hooks. Its nice shape, but not mint or rare.. Might just install some new style ones forward of the old ones, then dowel the old holes. Far easier solution.
 
If you are going to go the dowel route, plug the existing holes and install the hardware. Don't shift the mounts and leave exposed dowel plugs. Very poor appearance.
 
Assuming the studs are original to the rifle. If so don't alter it. Messing with the rifle in any fashion reduces it's value and desirability. That is unless you plan to keep the rifle for ever for your own use and don't mind it being altered.

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