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I just thought it would be a good idea to have a spot to look and see what events are going on. Right now seems to be the Turkey Shoot/Meat Shoot season around here and I was sad to hear that I missed a couple already when I attended Chases last weekend. So let me know that you think and add on if u can. I will start it off with the ones I know.

November 30th Kamloops: 100 targets: skeet, trap, 5 stand and sporting clays. starts at noon
50 targets: sporting clay under the lights after dark

December 1st Lone Bute: Trap and sporting clays Meat and prize shoot 10am start

December 8th Prince Gorge: ??? ???



Hope to see more on here
Joe
 
Just to let everyone know, the British Columbia Sporting Clays Association is in the process of being established. Paper work to incorporate the society including constitution and bylaws has been prepared and will be filed shortly. One of its first objectives will be to establish a web site to promote the various clay target events in BC and which should be in service by year end. While BCSCA will focus on sporting clays, 5-stand, FITASC and non traditional clay target shooting, it will be a forum to list other events as well. The 2014 BC Sporting Clays Provincials is scheduled to be in Williams Lake on Aug 23 & 24 with a Prelim on Aug 22 so you can start planning for that event. Tony Manuge from Prince George will be the first President of BCSCA with Ron Nemecek of Golden the Vice-President. They can be reached at tmanuge@gmail.com and mobmech@persona.ca respectively.
 
FITASC is owned in Canada by the CNSCA one cannot mention FITASC without being a member of CNSCA. they have the licence from FITASC in Canada! Besides the possibility of getting legal action by CNSCA, you are sure to get prosecuted by FITASC for not being a member of the Canadian associated federation, CNSCA! Besides, what is the point of having a provincial associations when we have a national org. Pay double dues???
 
Yes, to hold a FITASC event you have to follow official FITASC rules and pay their ridicules fees. Thats why lots of clubs in the US are moving to "Fun-TASC" shoots, and explains the growing popularity of Super Sporting.

Hopefully the BC origination will model themselves after the NSCA and ignore Albertas example.
 
The South Okanagan Sportsman Association (Oliver BC ) will hold the 3 round of the PITA Multiplex ( 150 registered targets, 50 singles-50 handicap and 50 doubles) On dec. 7th and then on Dec 8th our 67th Annual turkey shoot , shotgun ,rifle and archery events bring out an unbelievable crowd to make for a great day. PM me for anymore info you may need.
 
It's FITASC's game. If you don't like the rules, don't play.

Alberta started out shooting registered NSCA, we soon found out the NSCA fees went south and nothing came back. Why would Canadian shooters want to send their registration fees to Texas ?

Whats wrong with " Albertas example"?
 
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" Besides, what is the point of having a provincial associations when we have a national org. Pay double dues???"

There has always been resistance to the formation of a single national body in Canada Henry, you know that as well as anyone. Maybe strong provincial associations under a national body will work.
 
We have a CANADIAN, CNSCA! It is the sporting and FITASC organisation for Canada. Why regionalise as some of the US states have done and then taken double the amount per target thrown! BTW, we will have a FITASC GP next year! It is NOT a regional org that gets it but a CNSCA affiliated club!
Henry
 
Sapper33 said:
Hopefully the BC origination will model themselves after the NSCA and ignore Albertas example.
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What's wrong with Alberta's example? They collect no dues and funnel their revenue streams back to the shooters by subsidizing the shoot fees for women and juniors. As far as examples go, this is not a bad one to follow.
 
Yes Henry, we have the CNSCA and I think they have done a great job. But if you are suggesting the majority of Ontario and Quebec sporting shooters are committed to the CNSCA you are being rather disingenuous.
 
The CNSCA is an association of shooters.
The purpose of the provincial association is to act as a lobby and sport promoter provincially. The CNSCA cannot at this time receive national support from the gov't as Sporting is not an Olympic sport. The provinces have ways to support their shooters, but many mandate the funds must stay in the province. By having strong provincial orgs operating under the National body we can promote the sport at every level. Each province will have the opportunity to name a representative team for the National shoot in Hanley for sporting and at the National Fitasc shoot in Cambridge. IF you wish to shoot for your province or your country, make sure you get your local club to throw registered targets.
I am not sure why Sapper sees an advantage to the NSCA Model. Having shot east and west in Canada, and overseas, I think the ASCA and the CNSCA have done very well to grow the sport and the exposure. We are part of 2 international bodies that promote/govern the sport and have brought Sporting/Fitasc National attention that it hasn't had for the last 20 years. I am proud of my service and affiliation with both organisations and have tremendous respect for the work that has been done by those that have come before me.
IF we were to model our org to Sapper's satisfaction, it would bother FWOW. If we did everything FWOW wanted, we would lose others. If we did everything I wanted.... well you get the picture. We are not trying to please everyone, as that is a sure road to failure. What we are doing is spreading the sport to all that will play it competitively, promoting the game to all that want to play it for fun, and try to build a web site that anyone wanting to shoot their way across Canada as part of a vacation/travel can do so in a friendly safe environment.
Please let me know what skill you are willing to offer to help us promote and grow this sport.
BIG appreciation for the hard work being done in BC. getting an organisation up and growing is thankless work 99 % of the time.

Let me say thanks publicly. Here.

THANKS

Jason
 
The inter-org BS turns a lot of people off of registered shooting. It also explains why FITASC shoots in Eastern Canada draw far fewer shooters than local club events where the targets are set so even a rookie won't be humiliated and the objectives are competition, fun and welcoming new people into the sport.

When some Master Class shooter attends a local shoot they often win but not always and no one has broken 100 yet. Meanwhile the new shooters don't get discouraged and give up the sport and everyone has a great time.
 
The reason I like the NSCA model over (specifically) the Alberta Association, is because as a shooter, if I'm getting anything out the ASCA, I'm not seeing it. Yes they have a one time fee, and I do think it's great that they do half price for ladies at shoots. However ASCA shoot fees are still "around" $1/bird at registered shoots,but what does that get shooters? I don't see the value to shooters in Alberta for the ASCA to foot the bill to send 2-3 guys to Australia to "promote" Alberta.

NSCA has regular publications, member programs, an actual rulebook, actual prizes in shoots, an actual class system (for advancement anyways). They are also making inroads to Canada with NSCA Canada. The other, and probably biggest reason I like NSCA is that they are the biggest: Sporting Clays is shot in North America and the UK, so seing that we are playing the same game, why should we have 3 different governing bodies? Do I like the idea of it being run by Americans, no, but they are.
 
Sapper, I think you need to get more involved.

The Canadian organisation has brought international shoots to Canada, sponsored National teams for Canada and is helping to provide a framework for other provinces to create provincial shooting organisations to facilitate provincial champs, fundraising etc.
Canada has a rule book. Most clubs have copies available. Our classification system is so much simpler for the shooter to understand if they take the time to read the rules. online or in the book. Shoot fees are set by the clubs as are the prizing, other than the medals awarded by the CNSCA. I don't understand where you are coming from with your preference for the american classification system. I don't know anyone that thinks it is better, or why they would think so.
The ASCA and the CNSCA are separate orgs. Please feel free to get involved with either. Or Both. You can even have articles published on our website. Just write them.
As for "footing the bill', please feel free to apply for any funding that is available through the AFSS. It is open to all Alberta members.

Thanks for your comments and your interest in our sport.
 
Sapper, as NZ Clay Buster says, you need to get more involved in the Canadian organization.

To put things in perspective, shoot fees in Western Canada are normally in the range of 0.60 to 0.75 per target, not $1.00 and the fees are not set by CNSCA or ASCA. Looking at the advertising for shoots in the USA, fees there are usually in the $1.00 per target range. In Canada, cost of clays is about .12, lunch .05, prizes at least .15, CNSCA fees .02, wages for staff during an event at least .10, machine amortization at least 0.05. You are now at a minimum of .43 per target never mind infrastructure costs, return on investment and of course county, provincial and federal taxes if you do make a profit. Don't quit your day job to start a sporting clays course.

Not sure what you mean by an "actual rule book" but there is an "actual" CNSCA rule book. There is also an "actual" class system. In terms of "actual" prizes, we gave away about $8,000 in prizes at our last event with top prize valued at about $1500. Prizes might be a bit richer at an event in the USA but they are fortunate to have a lot of sponsorship. There is a different culture in respect of firearms in the USA and with a population 10X ours, they throw about 100X more targets in a year so are more likely to get sponsorship.

Bigger is not always better. You get more hamburger from a 10 year old range bull than you do rib eye steaks from a 2 year steer, but what do you prefer.
 
While this thread side tracks the Prince Rupert Rod & Gun Club will be having a turkey shoot on Dec. 1st
Bring raingear.
Bring a friend.
Hopefully leave with dinner or a smile.

Thanks
 
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