Small primer .45 ACP

If it does anything, it's more likely to lower the pressure then raise it. Smaller volume of priming compound. That being said, the textbook answer is to work your loads up again. Me, i'd just load em as i have been as long as i wasn't maxed out.
 
oh ! Small primer 45ACP like the Federal NT ?

These are freaking dangerous and I learned it the Hard way.
Some dude at my range manage to find some of these Federal NT ammo and did not pick up his spent case. Me as usual I pick up all the 45 brass I can find not noticing that some had small primer Pocket. I Thumble everything together Load my case feeder and start reloading.
After about 50 rounds it went BOOM !!! no one was hurt but I will remember Federal NT case.

Now I need to inspect every primer of spent case I pick up at then range. What a stupid Ideal using 2 different primer size for the same Caliber. Thumbs up to the Dumba$$ who thought it would be a Great ideal
 
YES, you can load them like any other .45. Just remember to take your chamfer tool, a pocket knife or a swaging tool to remove the slight crimp.

And YES, please do leave them on the range floor. Then there will be more for those of us who do inspect them and reload them. :p
 
I load 230gr FMJ's over 4.5 gr of bullseye... Small pistol/Large pistol primers make no noticable diff..

I've chroney'd both and the data comes out pretty much the same.
 
volks_r_us said:
oh ! Small primer 45ACP like the Federal NT ?

These are freaking dangerous and I learned it the Hard way.
Some dude at my range manage to find some of these Federal NT ammo and did not pick up his spent case. Me as usual I pick up all the 45 brass I can find not noticing that some had small primer Pocket. I Thumble everything together Load my case feeder and start reloading.
After about 50 rounds it went BOOM !!! no one was hurt but I will remember Federal NT case.

Now I need to inspect every primer of spent case I pick up at then range. What a stupid Ideal using 2 different primer size for the same Caliber. Thumbs up to the Dumba$$ who thought it would be a Great ideal
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Thumbs up to you too! You want to be cheap and use spent range brass, but you don't inspect the cases before loading them? :eek: Incidents like that make me glad I even sort by headstamp....
 
actually, i changed over to use the small primer as the brass itself is better- winchester nt- i don't know about federal, but the case walls were ever so slightly thicker- and everyone else at the range was using nt- it's a simple matter of changing the primer trough and pin- you can do it when you're changing shellplates anyway- THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN LOADS- WINCHESTER HAS STATED THIS ON THEIR SITE and it's been PROVEN on several boards-
there always seems to be a shortage of lpp anyway, and never with spp
i also saw a chart put out by winchester where it said that the FLAME from the small pistol was hotter- all good things ( improvements) as far as i know- so now my automatics share the same primer size, and i reserve the larger, more expensive lpps for the revolvers- which makes the sessions last longer anyway
also if you use range brass , you have NO IDEA how many times it's been fired esp with automatics-
unless you mark it in some way, you have no idea whether that casing you're picking up is your own or somebody else's- most people still use the large primer in 45acp, so if you use the small primer stuff
chances are it's virgin brass- which is a BIG WOO-HOO in my books
 
volks_r_us said:
oh ! Small primer 45ACP like the Federal NT ?

These are freaking dangerous and I learned it the Hard way.
Some dude at my range manage to find some of these Federal NT ammo and did not pick up his spent case. Me as usual I pick up all the 45 brass I can find not noticing that some had small primer Pocket. I Thumble everything together Load my case feeder and start reloading.
After about 50 rounds it went BOOM !!! no one was hurt but I will remember Federal NT case.

Now I need to inspect every primer of spent case I pick up at then range. What a stupid Ideal using 2 different primer size for the same Caliber. Thumbs up to the Dumba$$ who thought it would be a Great ideal
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How hard where you pulling on the press handle? I'm filling my hopper from 5 gallon pails of range brass, and every now and then a NT case gets thru. I have never had a primer go off in the press on anything. When i seat the primer on my LNL, i can tell instantly if its an NT or no, just stop and take it out. Slow down a bit my friend! Glad no one was hurt!
 
i bought a case of the Wolf 45 ACP reloads that they do, not knowing that it is small primed. the brass is marked "ICC" whatever that is.
I use the max loads for 200gr. and 230 gr bullets with Win 231 from the Hogdon charts and really like them; no problems at all. And i find that the brass is thicker and generally better made than Win, FC etc. I get more loads from them and they clean up really good.
I'm considering getting another case from wolf 'cause they are really inexpensive and i get good brass too.
 
t-star said:
also if you use range brass , you have NO IDEA how many times it's been fired esp with automatics-
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Actually, unless it's splitting i don't care how many times its been fired. I've got brass in my bins thats head stamped from world war 2, and other stuff you can barely read (or not read) the head stamp on. Unless your silly with your reloads, 45 brass is eternal. Don't overload it and make the primer pockets loose, and your grandkids will be shooting it. I'm not shooting bullseye, just IDPA style games, and anything my loader spits out will shoot into 2 or 3 inches at 25 yards. If i was getting paid to shoot, or doing serious bullseye work, i'd sort by batch and keep them seperate, but not for blasting ammo. Never had an issue.
 
well i've had one- had the case hole out just ahead of the extractor groove, it was a winchester case that showed no visible signs of failure- took out my mag, and slide stop- broke the little shelf that holds the slide back- and it wasn't a hotter than normal load- now i KNOW better
 
t-star said:
actually, i changed over to use the small primer as the brass itself is better- winchester nt- i don't know about federal, but the case walls were ever so slightly thicker- and everyone else at the range was using nt- it's a simple matter of changing the primer trough and pin- you can do it when you're changing shellplates anyway- THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN LOADS- WINCHESTER HAS STATED THIS ON THEIR SITE and it's been PROVEN on several boards-
there always seems to be a shortage of lpp anyway, and never with spp
i also saw a chart put out by winchester where it said that the FLAME from the small pistol was hotter- all good things ( improvements) as far as i know- so now my automatics share the same primer size, and i reserve the larger, more expensive lpps for the revolvers- which makes the sessions last longer anyway
also if you use range brass , you have NO IDEA how many times it's been fired esp with automatics-
unless you mark it in some way, you have no idea whether that casing you're picking up is your own or somebody else's- most people still use the large primer in 45acp, so if you use the small primer stuff
chances are it's virgin brass- which is a BIG WOO-HOO in my books
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^ This!

ICC is International Cartridge Corp out of the U.S.
 
t-star said:
well i've had one- had the case hole out just ahead of the extractor groove, it was a winchester case that showed no visible signs of failure- took out my mag, and slide stop- broke the little shelf that holds the slide back- and it wasn't a hotter than normal load- now i KNOW better
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wow, that sucks! I know it can happen, and if i see splitting or signs of bulging at the base i'll toss it into the reclaim bucket, but i've yet to blow one. Mind, most of my loads are middle of the road cast.
 
Cocked&Locked said:
wow, that sucks! I know it can happen, and if i see splitting or signs of bulging at the base i'll toss it into the reclaim bucket, but i've yet to blow one. Mind, most of my loads are middle of the road cast.
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that's NOT going to save you if it's a bad case- i was using 5.4 gr of 231 under a 200 grain cast- a "pussy" load - just enough to make the slide work- i KNOW this was from multiple firings- in the 1911, the area just ahead of the extractor groove is not supported and that's where she blew out- i've been doing this for neigh on 40 years , so i know what to look for in brass-
 
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