Small Red Dot AND a scope?

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I am sorry for my poor English (see signature), Let me try again:

1. Is it practical to have a small Red Dot like the "Razor" AND a good scope? (1-4 or 3-9)
I was thinking to have both on my Tavor (my SHTF rifle), but don't want to waste my money if it is not practical.

2. Also, on the Tavor, can you use a red dot if you mount it on the SIDE RAIL?
Thanks.

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It's popular in multi-gun competition to use both. The red dot is usually put on a 45 degree mount. This is done if you have both far and near targets to engage. I'm using a Bushnell elite 1-6.5 scope. I haven't purchased my red dot but I'm thinking of going with a C-more to complete the package.
 
skoal said:
This is the second thread you made on about this today.
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NO, please read this again.
I ask here if is it practical to have a small Red Dot like the "Razor" AND a good scope?
In the other thread I ask about having a red dot on the side rail.
Two different questions.

Sorry I gut you confused, but asking about a red dot on the Tavor side rail (will work or not on the side rail angle)
has nothing to do with asking about using a scope and a red dot on the same rifle (Tavor or not)
 
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Matty308 said:
Actually you said on the side rail so that you could have a scope AND a red dot, so same question.
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I am sorry for my poor English (see signature)
Let me try again...

1. Is it practical to have a small Red Dot like the "Razor" AND a good scope? (1-4 or 3-9)
2. On the Tavor, can you use a red dot if you mount it on the SIDE RAIL?
 
before you start throwing money at magnified optics and red dot combo's you should consider waiting until you have a few hundred dollars more and go with an Elcan Spectre DR.

before you know it you will have more than 1K in optics with all the mounts, rings and optics included, and it still won't touch the quality of an Elcan.

I own or have owned almost every 1-4 optic, red dot, and combo system out there, and you Tavor deserves a quality optic!!!!

the Spectre DR's come up quite regularly on the E/E for around $1500-$1800, and on a good day you can pick them up for around $1200-$1300 if they owner really wants to part with it.

don't cheap out.....buy once, cry once.

Just my opinion of course.
 
Im using a Vortex Viper PST 1-4 and did have a cheap Bushnell sight on it for a time. I tried it mounted on top of the scope, but it was too high to be practical at all. Then I tried it on an offset mount at the back of the rail and it was just in the way. Then I put it on the side rail and while it worked fine and was out of the way, that side rail is just plastic and is quite flexible. I just didnt feel like it was going to be solid enough to be reliable there. Instead, I got a quick throw lever for my Vortex. With it setup correctly I can very easily use IT as just a red dot when its set to 1X magnification. Then quickly switch to 4X when I need it. I have actually become quite comfortable using it as a red dot at 1X.

If I was going to be using my gun for actual fighting... I would definitely put the best optic on it I could get my hands on AND id have a super high end red dot mounted as a back up. BUT... for us normal guys (unless your competing professionally), I just cant see spending 2/3 the cost of the rifle on an optic unless money is not a concern for you at all. I had to save and save and SAVE (and sell a bunch of stuff I really liked) to be able to afford my Tavor... and it was worth it. But a $600 1-4 optic is definitely good enough for me.
 
Like I said on your other thread I think the mods closed it, I have 45º offset irons I used to have a burris much like the picture and it works.great but like anything you need to practice with it and the size of rds really comes into play here so it needs to be small like the burris. I dont have a tavor so I cant comment on it.
 
I like to have mine a little further forward.

Even though I have a 1-4, I still like the 45Deg mostly for fun and because im shooting in the 50 yard bay. I used to have a 2.5-10 (which would make more sense to have a second dot) but found I was using the 45deg sight most of the time on such a short range. I can still put the scope on 4x and do some fast long to short transitions, or just put it on 1x for short range and shoot with a normal hold.

If I was at a 3-4-500 yard range I would put the 2.5-10 back on.



Basically, do whatever you want and if it feels good do it!!

GC
 
I guess I didn't explain myself that well.

I know it doesn't make as much sense as having a higher power variable, but lets just say it works for MY shooting style and environment.

GC
 
misanthropist said:
If you're competing on courses of fire were there's really rapid target transitions from close to far...can be worthwhile. IMO a 1-4 or 1-6 plus a red dot is a pretty good gamer setup.
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puts you in open if you do,I run Tac optics with a set of irons offset
 
In CQB we lay on our strong side and shoot the rifle in the horizontal position. I shoot right handed, so the brass ejects straight down into the ground. Looks like this:
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If you mount a red dot at 45 degrees, it would be best on the left side. It could then be zeroed for 25 yards and be a perfect sight for modified prone.
 
Yes, you can run anything you want. But simple seems to be best.

The 45 degree extra sight has to be on one side or the other. I was simply pointing out that the left side is best for a right handed shooter if he is going to shoot urban prone.
 
It's very awkward/difficult to use a 45 degree mounted sight mounted on the 'inside' (left side for right handed shooters), whether you're urban prone or not. Inside mounting forces your forearm against your chest and torques your wrist in tension to rotate the rifle clockwise to align your sight.

I guess it also depends on how compressed of a stance you have (your LOP highly affects the amount you have to tweak your wrist).

I think running the offset mount on the outside is best no matter what shooting position you find yourself in. Doing so relaxes your wrist when you transition to it. The optic does not protrude out from the rifle enough to interfere in urban prone. The distance from the centerline of the rifle to the outside of the optic is less than from your stock placed in the shoulder pocket to the outside of your shoulder.
 
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