Smallest carry bag/case for Shockwave?
- Thread starter tj tapper
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Ok, so when the law says that a non-restricted firearm has to be non-visible from the outside .... and I have covered it up with a blanket .... or whatever ... or put it in my ATV box .... then it becomes a concealed weapon ..... sure ....
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(2) Subject to subsection (3), an individual may transport a non-restricted firearm in an unattended vehicle only if
(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and
(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the non-restricted firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the non-restricted firearm, is securely locked.
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Those are laws for transportation. There are many other laws in the books.
R. v. Felawka sets case law on the matter
Brybenn, when the law says that I have to conceal my non-restricted firearm during transportation,
then how can I be charged with concealed carry and when I am transporting my non-restricted?
I am sorry something does not add up here .....
Its illegal to hide or conceal a weapon in something not designed to conceal it. Section 90(1) of the criminal code if i remember correctly. Its been a while since my law classes.
Theres a difference in law in hiding a weapon from view and concealing a weapon in something designed to carry something that is not a weapon. In canada a firearm is always a weapon.
Same reason hair comb knives and belt buckle knives are illegal. They contain a weapon in something that looks like something else
Stupid law i agree but thats the law.
The felawka case deals with legal aspects that went to the supreme court for concealed carry of a weapon
Theres a difference in law in hiding a weapon from view and concealing a weapon in something designed to carry something that is not a weapon. In canada a firearm is always a weapon.
Same reason hair comb knives and belt buckle knives are illegal. They contain a weapon in something that looks like something else
Stupid law i agree but thats the law.
The felawka case deals with legal aspects that went to the supreme court for concealed carry of a weapon
Brybenn, when the law says that I have to conceal my non-restricted firearm during transportation,
then how can I be charged with concealed carry and when I am transporting my non-restricted?
I am sorry something does not add up here .....
Again there are many laws. Non restricted firearms do not need to be encased for transport at the federal level. Some provincial hunting laws require cases during certain times like ontario but that is a provincial hunting law not a firearm act law or criminal code law.
To leave a gun in a vehicle unattended it must be locled and out of view. That does not mean encased.
If you are found carrying a weapon in a case designed for something else you meet the criteria for a charge under the concealing a weapon law.
Dexter Morgan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
False.
That incident did not involve a cased firearm of any kind.
It also did not involve an unloaded firearm of any kind.
(It was a guy openly carrying a loaded rifle on a city bus.)
It also happened in the 1980s, prior to any of our current gun laws even being written.
So even if it did create case-law (which it didn't) it still wouldn't be relevant after new laws were written.
You need to open a law book buddy cause you have no clue about case and the precedents it set that are still being used in court to this day
Theyre prohib for a reason. They are illegal just as carrying a concealed firearm is illegal
People keep citing the Felawka case when these threads come up. I find this confusing. This man a) carried his .22lr rifle wrapped in his jacket while on public transit, b) allowed the rifle to slip out of its covering such that other passengers saw it was a rifle, c) joked with a transit supervisor when confronted about the rifle that he was going on a killing spree, and d) was found to have a single bullet loaded in the gun. How does this have any bearing on the use of a guitar case, for example? A properly designed case, whatever the shape, would prevent the rifle from being on public display. Proper, safe storage of a rifle in such a guitar case would include a trigger lock and the separation of loaded magazines from the rifle. A sensible person would not joke about going on a killing spree with a rifle visible to the people around him, who reasonably became alarmed by his rifle combined with his attitude. This was an idiot, doing what idiots do. And of course it is possible to act in such an idiotic fashion with ANY sort of gun in ANY sort of case, but most of us aren't quite so stupid, thankfully.
Dexter Morgan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
For the people who keep repeating this nonsense, please tell me;
If I pick up a rifle at the post office and drive it home;
(The rifle was shipped in an unmarked cardboard box, just like it's supposed to be.)
Is that considered "carrying a concealed weapon" in your opinion?
If I pick up a rifle at the post office and drive it home;
(The rifle was shipped in an unmarked cardboard box, just like it's supposed to be.)
Is that considered "carrying a concealed weapon" in your opinion?
The people who like to spread FUD love this stuff. Keeping everyone fearful of their own shadows is their aim. Soon such nonsense will be so well entrenched that new licencees will be afraid to order firearms online, 'knowing' that receiving them and transporting them home from the post office might set them up for arrest and prosecution. It's yet another version of feelings over facts. Using people's fears against them, in aid of eventually eliminating firearms from the entire population.
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Trigger lock, and or cable lock threw action no ammo in ( un loaded) carry case . And if possible lock on case regardless of type or original intended case purpose . I would hope would be a defensible as a safe carry .
M
“unattended vehicle“ out of sight, other wise I use my back window gun rack
Brybenn, when the law says that I have to conceal my non-restricted firearm during transportation,
then how can I be charged with concealed carry and when I am transporting my non-restricted?
I am sorry something does not add up here .....
“unattended vehicle“ out of sight, other wise I use my back window gun rack
I dont know how to make it any clearer without puppets and crayons. Concealing a weapon is illegal. The felawka case sets legal exemptions against what is considered concealing a weapon. A branded manufactures case is legal. A brief case for takedowns are legal. Tied in a blanket so that it keeps its shape is legal. A container that is likely known to hold a gun is legal. Using a case implied or designed to carry something else is illegal. Violin and guitar cases are not designed to carry guns in therefore its concealed carry of a weapon.
The crown has to prove 3 things. 1 you were carrying or transporting it. If you have it with you thats easy to prove. 2 that its a weapon. The criminal code states a gun is a weapon. Easy to prove its a gun. 3rd that you intentionally tried to hide it. If you knowingly put it in a case not designed for guns you are breaking the law. Section 89 of the criminal code is real. Yes they use this charge often.
This case and the many cases that were sited in it are publicly available. I suggest you read it or hire a law clerk to reas it to you
