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was a small mention about smart guns on CTV at lunch talking about california going to require it. only thing i could find is this article. me as a computer tech is thinking:

Caller: it wont fire!
tech: did you try to reboot maybe it crashed.
Caller: I tried that
tech: what color is the light when u hold it?
Caller: flashes red green
Tech: maybe bad firmware...

I could go on about this

http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/857672.html

Gun-stealing thieves beware: Handguns of the future may recognize their owners instantly – and not fire for anyone else.

A California lawmaker is so sure that current biometric research will produce "smart" guns that he's proposing to require them in coming years.

Assemblyman Mark DeSaulnier has proposed legislation to ensure that new firearm models contain such technology within 18 months after it becomes commercially available.


"I'm here to try to save lives," said DeSaulnier, D-Concord.

Assembly Bill 2235 would require the attorney general to report annually on whether a smart gun is offered for sale in any state or country, which would trigger the mandate. If the technology is not marketed by 2014, the bill would expire.

Opponents of gun control ridicule the legislation.

"This is anti-gunners dreaming that 'Star Trek' is right around the corner," said Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California.

"You're infringing on people's ability to get guns, and use guns, by requiring these goofy contraptions," Paredes said.

Gun legislation typically sparks big fights in California, where accidental shootings cause about 60 deaths and 650 hospitalizations each year.

AB 2235 spotlights years of research into "child-proof" or "owner-authorized" guns through biometrics, whose current uses include scanning eyeballs to ensure positive identification.

Experts envision handguns that could instantly identify their owners through a palm print, thus preventing their firing by children or thieves or when accidentally dropped.

Smart gun technology is expected to raise the cost of a handgun by about $50, said DeSaulnier, whose bill will be debated Tuesday in the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

Ho Chang of Nano Ident, an Austria-based firm doing smart-gun research, said that a prototype could be ready in about two years but field testing could take several years longer.

"Thank God we have this technology around the corner; let's use it," said Mary Leigh Blek of Orange County Citizens for the Prevention of Gun Violence.

Nick and Amanda Wilcox, whose 19-year-old daughter was shot to death seven years ago in Nevada County, are supporting AB 2235 through the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

"As a parent who has lost a child, I know the grief of a gun tragedy," Amanda Wilcox said. "We must change this."

Tony Iton, of the Health Officers Association of California, said that requiring smart guns – like auto seat belts – is a common-sense way to save lives.

Opponents counter that AB 2235 could backfire – for example, if a man's handgun were programmed to identify only his own palm and his wife suddenly needed to defend herself in an emergency.

"The only way to foolproof a firearm is to educate the owner," said Chuck Michel of the California Rifle & Pistol Association.

Questions abound about smart-gun technology, including whether it could fail if owners were wearing gloves or burned their hand, whether it could be harmed by corrosive gun oil, and how long batteries would last before wearing out.

Larry Thompson and Wayne Yarbrough, of Orangevale, took a break from target practice at a Rancho Cordova shooting range Friday to blast AB 2235.

"Cops and the government are always putting their nose where it doesn't belong," Yarbrough said.

Thompson said the bill would have no impact because smart guns would be vastly outnumbered by traditional firearms.

Lawrence Keane, general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, representing handgun manufacturers, said the industry does not oppose smart-gun research.

But AB 2235, similar to legislation passed by New Jersey, would impair consumer choice and could expose manufacturers to new liability, Keane said.

"People have been saying that a viable, workable, commercialized smart gun is just two years away," he said. "They've been saying that for 15 years – and it's still not on the marketplace. Maybe it will (be perfected); maybe it won't."
 
Like biometric gun safes that read your print? I've heard the present technology has a failure rate of 1 in 9, so out of 10 people your safe will open for one of those ten. The technology would also have to withstand the heat and shock of a continually firing gun as well as cleaning chemicals. Plus it would not have to get in the way of the ability to change grips, or Hogue and other companies will go out of business. I agree, ghey.
 
This CRAP has been going on for years, and they still haven't made it workable. Now the smart gun depends on 1. batteries, and 2 transistors.
Can you imagine the police would actualy go for it? Please don't shoot mr. criminal, until I put a fresh battery in my handgun! AND there ain't nothing deader than a DEAD transistor.
By the time they make it reliable, we will be using PHAZERS or Light sabres. :p

Glad I don't live in the "Peoples Demokratic Republik of New Joisey."
 
So, why doesn't this supreme idiot pass a law about making bullets retractable once fired, or repeal the laws of physics about bullet wounds, or pass a law that says bullets can only be fired if a flight plan is filed for the bullet to travel along?
 
Next step after that is you will need to call a toll-free number,
provide a security key such as "3HS8-48DK-345S-2KK9-2AS3..."(BREATH)"...LE8W-SD83-S39D-2JJ4-K22L"
followed by 'Sir can you repeat following the number 2...", then after being put on hold for 3 min
'Sir I am sending the activation code to your PDA, once received please proceed to connect the USB cable to the backstrap plug on your gun
then enter the following keys when prompted on the PDA screen <3kskeiie9w94jkdjsll59eke3895k>.
Your all set to go now, you gun will stay active for 20min then call again for your new activation, this only took a short 10min of your time, thank you for using our services.'
 
"Thank God we have this technology around the corner; let's use it," said Mary Leigh Blek of Orange County Citizens for the Prevention of Gun Violence.:slap::bump::nest:

Nick and Amanda Wilcox, whose 19-year-old daughter was shot to death seven years ago in Nevada County, are supporting AB 2235 through the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.:kickInTheNuts::bump:

"As a parent who has lost a child, I know the grief of a gun tragedy," Amanda Wilcox said. "We must change this.":(:bump:
 
They don't get it, they never will, they don't want to - as soon as the US military has succesfully adopted this system and used it in combat and every PD in Canada is using it, I'll use it. Not until then though.
 
oh this and the implanting the british cops with computer chips, oh wait perhaps thats the trick you have to have a implanted chip that talks to your firearms om board computer, once the firearm establishes that you are the qualified owner then you will be allowed to fire it. Oh and then they could link in computers on authorized ranges, that way the firearms will be able to determin that your on a range before fireing. Or linked to GPS recievers...

oops need more foil :D
 
Meanwhile everyone misses the fact that all modern cars have computers and it would take nothing to limit them coming out of the factory governed to a max speed of 100kph, or that you set them up so the keys that your kid have would limit the speed of the car and with GPS, even the range.
 
I think biometrics on guns is a great idea! My new laptop has a built in finger print scanner. It won't turn on unless it is my prints. Little pad on the left side of the grip should do it, or right side of the slide above the trigger. The 21st century will meet handguns sooner or later, might as well start with this cool tech. The pistols so equipped would look even more "Battelstar Galactica" like than the Px4 Storm.

Be going a long way to putting the public at ease as well knowing that our guns would not be able to be used by anyone but us, the legal and responsible owner. For the conspiracy theorists out there, there is no difference having your fingerprint stored on something like my laptop where it could be hacked and copied and used for anything than on a gun. It is much easier for the "men in black" to track you by your cell phone and triangulation if they wanted to anyway. Occam's Razor gentlemen, it's just a plain cool idea and I'd be right in the front of the line to buy a gun so equipped. (Once the technology is there of course. It isn't currently workable, nor does it stand up to rigorous use.)
 
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I think biometrics on guns is a great idea! My new laptop has a built in finger print scanner. It won't turn on unless it is my prints. Little pad on the left side of the grip should do it, or right side of the slide above the trigger. The 21st century will meet handguns sooner or later, might as well start with this cool tech. The pistols so equipped would look even more "Battelstar Galactica" like than the Px4 Storm.

Be going a long way to putting the public at ease as well knowing that our guns would not be able to be used by anyone but us, the legal and responsible owner. For the conspiracy theorists out there, there is no difference having your fingerprint stored on something like my laptop where it could be hacked and copied and used for anything than on a gun. It is much easier for the "men in black" to track you by your cell phone and triangulation if they wanted to anyway. Occam's Razor gentlemen, it's just a plain cool idea and I'd be right in the front of the line to buy a gun so equipped. (Once the technology is there of course. It isn't currently workable, nor does it stand up to rigorous use.)

Dude, back away from the joint.....slowly :onCrack:
 
Originally Posted by Slyder73
I think biometrics on guns is a great idea! My new laptop has a built in finger print scanner. It won't turn on unless it is my prints. Little pad on the left side of the grip should do it, or right side of the slide above the trigger. The 21st century will meet handguns sooner or later, might as well start with this cool tech. The pistols so equipped would look even more "Battelstar Galactica" like than the Px4 Storm.

Be going a long way to putting the public at ease as well knowing that our guns would not be able to be used by anyone but us, the legal and responsible owner. For the conspiracy theorists out there, there is no difference having your fingerprint stored on something like my laptop where it could be hacked and copied and used for anything than on a gun. It is much easier for the "men in black" to track you by your cell phone and triangulation if they wanted to anyway. Occam's Razor gentlemen, it's just a plain cool idea and I'd be right in the front of the line to buy a gun so equipped. (Once the technology is there of course. It isn't currently workable, nor does it stand up to rigorous use.)

LOL, Thats funny stuff!

Dave
 
What? Nobody else here a technogeek? New electronic toys dont' turn you on? How about an electronic toy that can shoot? :D

No, the "toy" novelty wore off a long time ago. When you need to rely on something, there is nothing like simplicity.

I will always take a firing mechanism made up of a dozen pieces of steel and powered by my my finger over one depending on millions of transistors and a battery.
 
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