Smellie, where are you? Ross pics

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1905 Ross with "Sutherland Rifle Sight Co." sight. The pin can be knocked out that the sight ladder pivots on and can be used on the rear bracket fastened at the rear of the bridge. Nice markings on the stock: R.S.A. over "2", 1 2.11, II**, 102 over 1911, CL, "Quebec".

Rifle is still full length , but the stock is Bubba'd.:mad:

Can the Ross gurus tell about these sights, etc?:confused:

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That is a sutherland MkI sight. The third service pattern of the MkII** were retrofitted with the stamped charger guide which is on this arm. The Sutherland Mk I & II sights , the Ross battle aperture sight and the Long Lee sights all had the same hinge dimensions so they would all fit the same base. The sight on your rifle will fit the rear base but the graduations are wrong for mounting on the receiver.
The Sutherland sight was designeed for the long Lee and later used on Ross rifles.
I do not believe the II**s with the stamped charger guide were ever fitted with a receiver sight.
 
Ross Mark II**

You have a good rifle there. The Ross Mark II** was developed as a target rifle, and was available with several options. You have a stamped rear sight base, but a milled rear sight base was also fitted to this rifle.

This is the rifle that Sir Charles Ross thought about as to what he would like for a Target rifle. It has a heavier barrel, with 16 threads per inch instead of the Military 3 thread per inch barrel. As stated, your rifle was intended for the shooter to supply the rear sight. Some Mark II** rifles did not have the rear sight mounted on the barrel, and had a wood top guard that was solid.

Commercial Ross rifles have a serial number, about 1/8 inch letters, on the left side of the barrel, just ahead of the receiver. Military Mark II** rifles do not have these serial numbers.

This was the rifle that the Canadians ruled Bisley for about five years, from about 1908 to 1913. The British objected to several points on the rifle, as it was supposed to be a "Service Rifle". The front sight hood, the absence of a bayonet lug, and other points were brought up. These were addressed by Ross, and later rifles had bayonet lugs, etc.

A 1910 Ross sight will fit on the mount. The original sight aperture hole was smaller than the later 1910 aperture hole.

A good find on your part. Not too common compared to the 1905 Mark II production.

R.S.A. is the Royal School of Artillery, a Canadian Unit.
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It would seem that the survival rate of civilian II** target rifles is much greater than that of the service issue II**s.
Is the stock on yours cut in front of the band? If so, with the barrel being unaltered, it would be a dandy candidate for restoration to issue configuration.
 
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