Smith and Wesson Cylinder Lock

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Would the cylinder lock count as a secure locking device if you had the cylinder lock engaged or would you still have to place a trigger lock or cable lock on the pistol for it to be stored legally?

I want to own a smith in .357 or .44 in the near future and this has me pondering the legality of this situation.

thanks for reading,

Ben
 
No it doesn't count. Still need the trigger lock with locked cabinet or locked box, or no trigger lock but in a safe.
 
Dunno, they don't specify trigger lock in the RCMP guidelines:

"Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into. "

I've seen folks use a cable lock through the barrel with and open cylinder or a padlock around the receiver, both instances with the cylinder open where it can't close. Not saying those are approved methods but they sure look secure. Waiting to hear what others think.
 
As with most things to do with the FA I think we tend to over think things. I would certainly say that the permanently attached locking mechanism on the S&W revolvers would satisfy the requirement of "a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired"

Is it secure?....yes
Is it a locking device?....yes
Does it render the firearm unable to fire?....yes
 
Trinimon said:
Dunno, they don't specify trigger lock in the RCMP guidelines:

"Attach a secure locking device so the firearms cannot be fired and lock them in a cabinet, container or room that is difficult to break into; or
Lock the firearms in a vault, safe or room that was built or modified specifically to store firearms safely.
For automatic firearms, also remove the bolts or bolt carriers (if removable) and lock them in a separate room that is difficult to break into. "

I've seen folks use a cable lock through the barrel with and open cylinder or a padlock around the receiver, both instances with the cylinder open where it can't close. Not saying those are approved methods but they sure look secure. Waiting to hear what others think.
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Yes meant to say cable lock as well. Basically anything external as there are barrel locks too. I may have misinterpreted the question though. I was assuming OP was referring to the S&W internal locks, which I was told by CFO does not count.
 
gdawg said:
Yes meant to say cable lock as well. Basically anything external as there are barrel locks too. I may have misinterpreted the question though. I was assuming OP was referring to the S&W internal locks, which I was told by CFO does not count.
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And yet here's a quote from a reddit thread that came up using a Google search on the subject.....

"The fact of the matter is, any approved locking device which disables the firearm is suitable; including trigger locks, cable locks, and certain types of action locks. Anyone who is unsure should contact the CFP and ask for clarification. I asked the CFP technical division directly about the S&W internal lock and got a reply saying it meets the safe storage criteria. I printed off that e-mail, and keep a copy of it in my case."

I have no idea of the accuracy of this post but it speaks to how muddled and unclear our gun laws are.....and how it seems the answers to questions change depending on who you ask.
 
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sailor723 said:
And yet here's a quote from a reddit thread that came up using a Google search on the subject.....

"The fact of the matter is, any approved locking device which disables the firearm is suitable; including trigger locks, cable locks, and certain types of action locks. Anyone who is unsure should contact the CFP and ask for clarification. I asked the CFP technical division directly about the S&W internal lock and got a reply saying it meets the safe storage criteria. I printed off that e-mail, and keep a copy of it in my case."

I have no idea of the accuracy of this post but it speaks to how muddled and unclear our gun laws are.....and how it seems the answers to questions change depending on who you ask.
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Interesting. That is a good example of how unclear it is. Similar lack of clarity around double locking and mailing - I have received different interpretations. Anyway I tend to err on the side of caution and wouldn't take a liberal interpretation unless I can point to it in acts, regs and official guidance.
 
Well, if your info came from your CFO rather than the CFP that is just another example of the problem with having provincial CFO's....10 little empires each with their own take on what the rules are.
 
I have never thought about this, I know the cable lock is a "lock" as far as Law is concerned, I think I will have to call the RCMP Tec's and get a written answer.
Word of mouth from a CFO is worth what the paper is worth
 
marshall said:
I have never thought about this, I know the cable lock is a "lock" as far as Law is concerned, I think I will have to call the RCMP Tec's and get a written answer.
Word of mouth from a CFO is worth what the paper is worth
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I'd be interested to hear/see what answer you get. Logically the internal lock would seem to satisfy the requirements but when it comes to Canadian firearms law you never know.
 
RT said:
Call 1-800-731-4000 and ask them, have them email you a copy of their answer as well.
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The data entry clerks that answer that number in Miramichi aren't the people to ask, any more than the receptionist in a CFO's office.

I think it's more a technical question for the lab.....and even then it's only an opinion.
 
sailor723 said:
The data entry clerks that answer that number in Miramichi aren't the people to ask, any more than the receptionist in a CFO's office.

I think it's more a technical question for the lab.....and even then it's only an opinion.
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That number will get you to the lab or any department you need....its not only for transfers.
 
If you want a written reply they wont if you ask most times.
However using a TTY will give you a transcript of the conversation.....or have a deaf friend ask via email and thet MUST reply .
 
Just asked on the heals of a transfer and same answer - 'no go, must be externally applied'. It went to the supervisor so don't know if that is the official bottom line but would curious if others get a different response.
 
sailor723 said:
Is it possible to write or email them with a question and get a reply?
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The CFC, CFO etc are reluctant to put much down on paper, it can be used against them later.
I think of asking them legal questions about the same as advice from the guy at the Sail gun counter who told me 3 times the shortest legal shotgun barrel is 18 inches until I asked to see the Boito hiker behind him.
 
Does anyone know if there is a delete piece so we can remove the lock. Similar to the plate for 80 series 1911"s ? My google fingers are tired.
 
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