Smith and Wesson M&P 15/22

How about the AP 74 challenge then, let alone this new one. The AP74 has absolutely nothing to do with an AR except for looks and that goes back how many decades? If the ruling on the AP 80 pans out and stands as is then there are a few others that need to me looked at as well including any new "variants" as the rcmp likes to call them.

If this was racial profiling and not allowing certain people of color into the country then there would be an uproar but that is what they are doing with these firearms. Judge on looks and not function? That is not how things are supposed to run in a civilized democratic society. Maybe I am a bit of an idealist?? lmao riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!! :p
 
the supplier for my local range/gun store silverdale has told us they are restricted and will have a solid stock, and should be seen this month. Google Lanz shooting supplies click on the rifles and shotguns tab - top of the page.
 
the problem with this gun is that it is a variant of a mp-15 which is a restricted ar-15 so it is a very different case. just like if stag made an ar-15 .22lr it is the same thing it is technically just a dedicated .22lr but still an ar-15. if they had called it a smith and wesson tactical .22lr then it might be non restricted.
 
mlehtovaara said:
the problem with this gun is that it is a variant of a mp-15 which is a restricted ar-15 so it is a very different case. just like if stag made an ar-15 .22lr it is the same thing it is technically just a dedicated .22lr but still an ar-15. if they had called it a smith and wesson tactical .22lr then it might be non restricted.
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Sharing part of a name does not make anything a variant. And the M&P 15-22 cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be called a variant on technical grounds either (for starts the action is completely different.) It merely resembles an AR15. As the judge found in Henderson, cosmetic appearance is not enough to qualify as a variant.

Now, given that our firearms laws are administered by paranoid and self seeking fools, they may try to restrict it even without a sensible reason for doing so. I'm not convinced that they will, especially since the 597 VRT is basically the same thing and unrestricted. If they do I don't see how that classification could withstand a challenge without the active intervention of Parliament.
 
smith and wesson is basically admitting and calling it an ar-15 variant. there is lots of other guns that the variant case can be made for but this is not one of them in my opinion. the 597 has nothing to do with an ar by name or design.
 
I saw a review on the M&P 15/22 on Guns and Ammo TV and even they said that it is not a variant of the AR15, it was designed as a separate 22 rimfire rifle, the lower was specifically designed so that it will not fit any AR15 upper.
 
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mlehtovaara said:
the problem with this gun is that it is a variant of a mp-15 which is a restricted ar-15 so it is a very different case. just like if stag made an ar-15 .22lr it is the same thing it is technically just a dedicated .22lr but still an ar-15. if they had called it a smith and wesson tactical .22lr then it might be non restricted.
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Similar name and similar resemblance does not make it a variant. If you do believe that, then you're on the wrong team.
 
An article I read in a gun rag (I will try to find it later), said that it is incompatible with any center-fire upper or lower, and that the whole gun is built at just under 100% scale. Only the buttstock, trigger group, and pistol grip are interchangeable.
 
mlehtovaara said:
true but the name and the fact that it has an upper and lower are enough for the rcmp to win the case if it was ever appealed. that is my opinion so i'll leave it at that.
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Of course nothing that the gun Nazi’s do has to make sense, a better example is the AR180B, 223 rifle, uses AR15 trigger parts and magazines, upper and lower manufacture like the M&P15/22, much more in common with the AR15 than a 22 LR look-alike and non-restricted.:confused:
 
The barrel doesn't make it restricted. The 18.5 barrel restriction only applies to:

1) semi automatic [CHECK]
2) centerfire rifles [NOPE!]
 
They seem to be getting pretty good reviews on Rimfire Central. I'd buy one before the Colt.
 
How do we KNOW that this rifle is restricted? Has someone checked that database thingamajigger? Has an in-the-know supplier informed someone? Just want to make sure this isn't heresay....because I was really looking forward to a handy little .22 like this that I don't have to spend $1000 to build up myself.
 
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