Hello there, this is unfortunately my first post. I had hoped to be making my first one under better circumstances but I really need help understanding where I stand.. I just bought a Smith and Wesson model 1 1/2, first version. I will post pictures. I bought this from a small dealer in Canada and unfortunately it's not at all what I thought it was going to be mechanically. It has quite a few issues. I have contacted him and he's willing to take the gun back but I really need help from you guys. I need a general idea if I'm being jerked around or if things sound normal to you.
The gun appears to be in excellent condition with 95% nickel remaining, the walnut grips are excellent with minor wear around button. It was advertised as above with a strong action and hinge. Excellent Overall. His wording. He rates things according to a system that everybody else uses. B
His rating of excellent also means a gun is mechanically perfect according to what he has written on his website.
So I have a 95% nickel gun and it looks to be in excellent condition. Here's what I found when I received it. The cylinder had quite a bit of slack when rotated axialy. The cylinder was also very loose, turned upside down the barrel end of cylinder rests directly against the top strap. It would rest against the bottom ofthe frame to it it wasn't for the cylinder lock holding it up. This didn't seem excellent to me at all. The gun has no half ####. When I pulled the trigger back it got much tougher as the ratchet engaged to rotate the cylinder. Also the cylinder didn't rotate freely with the trigger pulled back slightly as it should have. The cylinder lock wasn't disengaging with the trigger pull.
I looked for info and HL Collection had a manual on the gun. I bought it and quickly discovered that the action was broken. The piece that went from the cylinder lock up bar to the trigger was broken. I confirmed this when I removed the side plate and the part was broken off and missing.
This all seemed very excessive for a gun rated excellent and mechanically perfect.
I contacted him and he did say I could return the gun for a refund. When he replied he stated guns are only rated by there finish, movement and completeness. That was why it was rated excellent. His own site says excellent includes mechanically perfect???? I'm new to this and am really loving the hobby aND am growing frustrated. He claims his rating system is the same as everybody else.
I have bought three guns from him. The last was an excellent hopkins and allen which was nice except the cylinder timing was way off, that wasn't part of the rating he said but other guns he uses the timing as part of the rating. Who's right here? I just feel if he places himself in the realm as an atique gun dealer and considers himself qualified to rate guns that he should have a sound understanding of how a guns action works? Isn't the point of rating them so a standard can be expected? The way I thought things worked a gun rated excellent would be tight and very close to mechanically perfect unless otherwise noted.
I really need to understand what's going on here. This is seriously impacting my enjoyment of the hobby, i'm new with not even a dozen pieces and most were in the sub $1000 range. I really hope your experience can help me have realistic expectations about what to expect. I hope it makes sense, the online book I bought won't allow me to copy and paste pictures of the broken part and there's nothing to see from the side plate with the piece missing. I believe this was the only model they used this type of cylinder lock disengagement. I really appreciate any help you can give and thank you for reading this.
Fella
The gun appears to be in excellent condition with 95% nickel remaining, the walnut grips are excellent with minor wear around button. It was advertised as above with a strong action and hinge. Excellent Overall. His wording. He rates things according to a system that everybody else uses. B
His rating of excellent also means a gun is mechanically perfect according to what he has written on his website.
So I have a 95% nickel gun and it looks to be in excellent condition. Here's what I found when I received it. The cylinder had quite a bit of slack when rotated axialy. The cylinder was also very loose, turned upside down the barrel end of cylinder rests directly against the top strap. It would rest against the bottom ofthe frame to it it wasn't for the cylinder lock holding it up. This didn't seem excellent to me at all. The gun has no half ####. When I pulled the trigger back it got much tougher as the ratchet engaged to rotate the cylinder. Also the cylinder didn't rotate freely with the trigger pulled back slightly as it should have. The cylinder lock wasn't disengaging with the trigger pull.
I looked for info and HL Collection had a manual on the gun. I bought it and quickly discovered that the action was broken. The piece that went from the cylinder lock up bar to the trigger was broken. I confirmed this when I removed the side plate and the part was broken off and missing.
This all seemed very excessive for a gun rated excellent and mechanically perfect.
I contacted him and he did say I could return the gun for a refund. When he replied he stated guns are only rated by there finish, movement and completeness. That was why it was rated excellent. His own site says excellent includes mechanically perfect???? I'm new to this and am really loving the hobby aND am growing frustrated. He claims his rating system is the same as everybody else.
I have bought three guns from him. The last was an excellent hopkins and allen which was nice except the cylinder timing was way off, that wasn't part of the rating he said but other guns he uses the timing as part of the rating. Who's right here? I just feel if he places himself in the realm as an atique gun dealer and considers himself qualified to rate guns that he should have a sound understanding of how a guns action works? Isn't the point of rating them so a standard can be expected? The way I thought things worked a gun rated excellent would be tight and very close to mechanically perfect unless otherwise noted.
I really need to understand what's going on here. This is seriously impacting my enjoyment of the hobby, i'm new with not even a dozen pieces and most were in the sub $1000 range. I really hope your experience can help me have realistic expectations about what to expect. I hope it makes sense, the online book I bought won't allow me to copy and paste pictures of the broken part and there's nothing to see from the side plate with the piece missing. I believe this was the only model they used this type of cylinder lock disengagement. I really appreciate any help you can give and thank you for reading this.
Fella
