SMLE Jungle Carbine Conversion

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Has anyone here tried the conversion described on this site?

http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/countingtono5/index.asp

I was considering installing just the flash hider to my sporterized No4 Mk1 rifle.
 
I hope your barrel is already shortened - chopping an intact barrel would be, in my opinion, ill-advised.

But yes, if it's already chopped, it can be done.

Mind you, a No4 with a flash hider looks kind of funny, unless the rest of the rifle has the Jungle replica parts. In which case, you're getting close to the price of a real Jungle Carbine, authentic and all...
 
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't a No4 mk1 an SMLE. I assumed it was as that is where it is listed on the e-gunparts website.

I hope your barrel is already shortened - chopping an intact barrel would be, in my opinion, ill-advised.
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Why is this a bad idea. The guy in the article took his dremel tool to his and it seemed to work fine.

Mind you, a No4 with a flash hider looks kind of funny, unless the rest of the rifle has the Jungle replica parts.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.:D

In which case, you're getting close to the price of a real Jungle Carbine
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Most Jungle Carbines I have seen have been around the three hundred dollar mark and up. I already have the no4 and the flash hider is $32.30USD.
 
What's with all these posts in the milsurp section asking how to bubba a perfect original condition military rifle?

These types of posts should go in the milsurp-haters section.
 
"Pardon my ignorance, but isn't a No4 mk1 an SMLE. I assumed it was as that is where it is listed on the e-gunparts website."

No worries there, indeed Numrich's web site misguided you. Typically, SMLE refers to the pre-No4 Lee Enfields (the No1 Mk3* being the most comon SMLE).

If you order the flash hider from Numrich, add $25 for processing the order shipped to Canada. Plus shipping, plus customs duty taxes once the package is in Canada, plus the fact that you've got 80 US cents for your dollar... So, by the time you get the flash hider, it'll easily cost $100.

So, you'd take a rifle that, short of the proper stock, is still an original ww2 firearm. It can easily be returned to its original configuration. On the other hand, you can cut the barrel, get something that could be less accurate (it would require proper recrowning at the very least), would be tougher to sell...

I would personnaly wait to find one that already had its barrel shortented... they are out there, and cheap...

Meanwhile, your still-intact No4 could eventually look like what it was once before. Here's one of mine, started sporterized just like yours; ended up like this after some work:
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While I agree that altering an intact rifle is a bad idea, if the barrel is already cut, that is a different story. I had a No 4 Mk 1* that my father bought in 1970 with the barrel cut to 22 inches then. He later added a plastic stock and a muzzle break. It set unused in my safe for years after his death. This fall I decided to convert it into something that at least looked military. It was a fun project, but I already had the tools to cut and crown the barrel properly. If you don’t have the tools already, I recommend that you have the barrel work done a gunsmith. Here are some pictures of it before and after
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What's with all these posts in the milsurp section asking how to bubba a perfect original condition military rifle?
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I knew someone was going to say that. :rolleyes:

louthepou, beautiful rifle you have there. My no4 is a user and I have no intention of returning it to original condition. Here is my "bubba".

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Barrel length is a shade over twenty one inches and appears to have already been shortened.
 
miller806, that's exactly what I had in mind, beautiful job! Where did you purchase the flash hider?

Is the rifle pictured on the bottom an original Jungle Carbine?
 
Its your rifle you do whatever you like to it. Just expext a bit of flack if you post a alteration of a rifle in pristine condition when there are sporterized ones out there you can do that too.

You are better off selling your rifle and then buying a sporterized one and with the difference buying the flash hider. Overall your cost should be nothing but you will not have cut up a nice rifle
 
Thanks MOA Shooter, The flash hider, forearm and hand guard are from Numrich. The butt stock is a long No 4, that I picked up at a local gun show, I used it and cut the barrel to 16.5 inches because I did not want anyone to mistake it for real N0 5, the rest of the parts I got from Springfield Sporters. Yes, that is a 1947 BSA N05 Mk 1.
 
I don't live in Canada, in the US the minimum barrel length for a rifle is 16 inches. As a retired Police Officer and Firearms Instructor for the last 15 years, I would not make that kind of mistake. I have not had a chance to get to the range with it yet. The Numrich flash hider's dovetail is oversized and I need to modify the front sight by adding a set screw to it.
 
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louthepou, beautiful rifle you have there.
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Thanks!
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My no4 is a user and I have no intention of returning it to original condition. Here is my "bubba".

Barrel length is a shade over twenty one inches and appears to have already been shortened.
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Yes! Indeed the barrel already has been cut :) Otherwise, you'd still see the bayonet lugs at the front tip of the barrel.

Lou
 
MOA_Shooter said:
miller806, that's exactly what I had in mind, beautiful job! Where did you purchase the flash hider?

Is the rifle pictured on the bottom an original Jungle Carbine?
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It's your rifle, as long as you aren't cutting an intact, good condition full length barrel...that would be sacrilege of the first order.

Now, I have bought the Numrich flash hider. I suggest giving it a miss. A Jungle Carbine bayonet wouldn't even lock on to it. It is most definitely not worth the $100 it would cost you to get it. It's pot metal. The originals are steel.

The Numrich wood on their site for Jungle Carbine doesn't fit well or right. On the whole it's kind of a Mickey Mouse setup.

I suppose you could buy one of those Royal Commando rifles,( :rolleyes: )they also show up from time to time...last one was like a month ago.

Does SIR still have those No 4 Jungle carbine conversions on their site for $300? They've already been done. Suggest getting one of those. They show up on the EE from time to time.
 
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miller806 said:
I don't live in Canada, in the US the minimum barrel length for a rifle is 16 inches. As a retired Police Officer and Firearms Instructor for the last 15 years, I would not make that kind of mistake. I have not had a chance to get to the range with it yet. The Numrich flash hider's dovetail is oversized and I need to modify the front sight by adding a set screw to it.
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Oh sorry. I didn't look at your location.
 
miller806 said:
I don't live in Canada, in the US the minimum barrel length for a rifle is 16 inches. As a retired Police Officer and Firearms Instructor for the last 15 years, I would not make that kind of mistake. I have not had a chance to get to the range with it yet. The Numrich flash hider's dovetail is oversized and I need to modify the front sight by adding a set screw to it.
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I've been through that with the oversized slot. You don't need a set screw. You need one of the front sight elements with the slot on the bottom. You need to spread that slot wider, so that it's a tight fit into the flash hider. One side should be a bit smaller so you can get it started into the dovetail. You can take a chisel or big screwdriver and spread the slot with it.
 
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