Snap Election incoming Sept. 20th potentially

Max Bernier has very strong ties to George Soros, if you think he is exempt from being a sellout globalist politician you couldn't be more wrong. There is only one option to flush the turd and try to save the firearms community. Once that primary goal is accomplished, we can worry about building a party with no globalism ties that are more geared to traditional Conservative values. Now is not the time to throw your tools in the air and walk off the jobsite.
 
My Third Eye said:
First, thank you wolverine for everything you do for the firearms community.

But, man the firearms community is ####ing so toxic at times. The insane conspiracies, the denial of facts and reality, the personal attacks, the one issue voters, the people who are so pathetically unCanadian that they want their province to separate from Canada. And we wonder why the party is losing? Jesus you guys (not Wolverine) sometimes make me regret donating money to the gun orgs. This community is so divided and no one wants to hear other sides or opinions. I'm done, good luck to you all. Definitely have lost my vote. Makes me sad, I love guns but find myself regretting that I ever pursued the interest with the detestable people I've met and seen through it. I completely understand why non gun owners think we are unstable psychopaths. Look at this site for an example.

Guess I'm going on a fishing trip and parting ways from this place/people.

It's been interesting, Cheers.

Sorry for the rant, grammar errors and bad spelling.
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7 years and 21 posts later, bye Felicia! lol



Once the CPC win then they can be pushed right. They can't start out all the way to the right because the media is owned by the liberals and they will rip apart any CPC thought that is even remotely right wing. Hell I am sure they said Otoole's carbon tax idea was racist or something. Also like all politicians that break their promises, Otoole can break his carbon tax promise once he wins.
 
My Third Eye said:
First, thank you wolverine for everything you do for the firearms community.

But, man the firearms community is ####ing so toxic at times. The insane conspiracies, the denial of facts and reality, the personal attacks, the one issue voters, the people who are so pathetically unCanadian that they want their province to separate from Canada. And we wonder why the party is losing? Jesus you guys (not Wolverine) sometimes make me regret donating money to the gun orgs. This community is so divided and no one wants to hear other sides or opinions. I'm done, good luck to you all. Definitely have lost my vote. Makes me sad, I love guns but find myself regretting that I ever pursued the interest with the detestable people I've met and seen through it. I completely understand why non gun owners think we are unstable psychopaths. Look at this site for an example.

Guess I'm going on a fishing trip and parting ways from this place/people.

It's been interesting, Cheers.

Sorry for the rant, grammar errors and bad spelling.
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So anyone who doesnt agree with you is Uncanadian, an unstable psychopath and detestable and in the same breath you claim no one wants to hear another as if it's everyone else's problem...

You are right... you don't want to actually listen to another person and you expect everyone to fall within your overton window so we are divided...

Its actually posts like this, devoid of any real attempt of dialogue, that perpetuate the stereotype as much as any other because its used to say even gun owners think other gun owners are crazy...



Back on topic...

Honestly, Otoole needs to focus on Ontario and east... it's very frustrating going to vote knowing most of it is decided by the trends throughout election day with the East being much earlier...
 
Desjard said:
7 years and 21 posts later, bye Felicia! lol
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Sorry I don't post enough for my vote to be counted in the election? What is this supposed to mean, that I don't post all the time so that means I'm not engaged in the community in real life? Just because I don't spend all my time on CGN does not mean I do not contribute to the Canadian firearms community/industry. I'm sorry my post count and time on this site has not lived up to your standards.

Cheers.
 
Gotta get rid of the libs!! I fear a lib majority,but if we dont vote CPC we are doomed! Freedom needs to matter again in this country!
 
My Third Eye said:
First, thank you wolverine for everything you do for the firearms community.

But, man the firearms community is ####ing so toxic at times. The insane conspiracies, the denial of facts and reality, the personal attacks, the one issue voters, the people who are so pathetically unCanadian that they want their province to separate from Canada. And we wonder why the party is losing? Jesus you guys (not Wolverine) sometimes make me regret donating money to the gun orgs. This community is so divided and no one wants to hear other sides or opinions. I'm done, good luck to you all. Definitely have lost my vote. Makes me sad, I love guns but find myself regretting that I ever pursued the interest with the detestable people I've met and seen through it. I completely understand why non gun owners think we are unstable psychopaths. Look at this site for an example.

Guess I'm going on a fishing trip and parting ways from this place/people.

It's been interesting, Cheers.

Sorry for the rant, grammar errors and bad spelling.
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Ditto
 
CosmiC10R said:
Honestly, Otoole needs to focus on Ontario and east...
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Focusing on policies and interest groups need to be done right after previous election is over, not mere days before the next one. For O'Toole the time was right after he was elected party leader. Instead he focused on purging the party of anyone who isn't a softcore liberal.

Now is the time to focus on 2025, new leader, healing the conservative groups coalition and having an actual platform distinct from that of LPC. This election is a write off. Let it go, and let the incompetent, egomaniacal, tone deaf prick O'Toole take the fall for it.
 
CosmiC10R said:
So anyone who doesnt agree with you is Uncanadian, an unstable psychopath and detestable and in the same breath you claim no one wants to hear another as if it's everyone else's problem...

You are right... you don't want to actually listen to another person and you expect everyone to fall within your overton window so we are divided...

Its actually posts like this, devoid of any real attempt of dialogue, that perpetuate the stereotype as much as any other because its used to say even gun owners think other gun owners are crazy...



Back on topic...

Honestly, Otoole needs to focus on Ontario and east... it's very frustrating going to vote knowing most of it is decided by the trends throughout election day with the East being much earlier...
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"So anyone who doesnt agree with you is Uncanadian, an unstable psychopath and detestable and in the same breath you claim no one wants to hear another as if it's everyone else's problem..."
Not at all, people who say if an election doesn't go their way that their province should separate from Canada is pretty unCanadian if you ask me. I said I understand why non-gun owners see us that way; use this site as an example of why. People here do no want to hear other peoples opinions in this thread alone you can see it...

"You are right... you don't want to actually listen to another person and you expect everyone to fall within your overton window so we are divided..."
What does this mean, I'm listening to you right now... what am I expecting of you to change? People here seem divided to me...

"Its actually posts like this, devoid of any real attempt of dialogue, that perpetuate the stereotype as much as any other because its used to say even gun owners think other gun owners are crazy..."
We are having dialog now, I can as time permits continue the dialog if you'd like. There is no stereotype, I a gun owner have met other gun owners that are crazy... I don't know what to tell you.

As for the vote, I got bigger issues than legally owning guns, but I have a hard time finding any political party here that meets enough of my interests to want to vote. Trying to decide on the lesser of two evils in my mind. Not sure what the choice it yet.
 
My Third Eye said:
"So anyone who doesnt agree with you is Uncanadian, an unstable psychopath and detestable and in the same breath you claim no one wants to hear another as if it's everyone else's problem..."
Not at all, people who say if an election doesn't go their way that their province should separate from Canada is pretty unCanadian if you ask me. I said I understand why non-gun owners see us that way; use this site as an example of why. People here do no want to hear other peoples opinions in this thread alone you can see it...

"You are right... you don't want to actually listen to another person and you expect everyone to fall within your overton window so we are divided..."
What does this mean, I'm listening to you right now... what am I expecting of you to change? People here seem divided to me...

"Its actually posts like this, devoid of any real attempt of dialogue, that perpetuate the stereotype as much as any other because its used to say even gun owners think other gun owners are crazy..."
We are having dialog now, I can as time permits continue the dialog if you'd like. There is no stereotype, I a gun owner have met other gun owners that are crazy... I don't know what to tell you.

As for the vote, I got bigger issues than legally owning guns, but I have a hard time finding any political party here that meets enough of my interests to want to vote. Trying to decide on the lesser of two evils in my mind. Not sure what the choice it yet.
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Fair points... However, I can also see why people are losing hope and see seperation as the only alternative... similar to this dialog or thread, as a society we are losing the ability to discuss things... Ive been guilty at times for sure.
The liberal party is so ideologically driven, we will say IMO but I can't see how anyone could disagree, that there is no room for dialog with a conservative person.
A seperation of the west seems like the only hope of salvation to many who are also politically homeless in the current paradigm.
So in some ways no different then you in that they can't find a party to represent their main issues.

You are listening now but you started by generalizing about some (seemed like the majority) being detestable. I didn't agree with some of Bri guys opinions but I realize he ended up there through his own experiences and Im not sure it's up to me to castigate him vs listening and trying to understand why he feels that way. It seems like a lot of the more centrist/leftist gun owners have no issue calling more right leaning gun owners some pretty rough things and then simultaneously claim they are the problem and don't want to listen.
Its a theme as much as any other on this site.

There are crazy people everywhere, spend some time on Tiktok... I dislike this notion of some collective responsibility gun owners have been forced to take on as if one of us represents all of us... that's been done for political purposes and so many fear a label so much that they will conform to whatever the walls of the label entail rather then being the heretic.
An individual is solely responsible for one's actions and dialogue and when we play this game as if we have to meet some external collective criteria we are playing directly in to the hands of the people who seek to end gun ownership entirely....
It's similar to the current trend of some collective white guilt or the idea that because I was born in Canada I am somehow complicit in colonialism...

It's pure rubbish....
 
CosmiC10R said:
Fair points... However, I can also see why people are losing hope and see seperation as the only alternative... similar to this dialog or thread, as a society we are losing the ability to discuss things... Ive been guilty at times for sure.
The liberal party is so ideologically driven, we will say IMO but I can't see how anyone could disagree, that there is no room for dialog with a conservative person.
A seperation of the west seems like the only hope of salvation to many who are also politically homeless in the current paradigm.
So in some ways no different then you in that they can't find a party to represent their main issues.

You are listening now but you started by generalizing about some (seemed like the majority) being detestable. I didn't agree with some of Bri guys opinions but I realize he ended up there through his own experiences and Im not sure it's up to me to castigate him vs listening and trying to understand why he feels that way. It seems like a lot of the more centrist/leftist gun owners have no issue calling more right leaning gun owners some pretty rough things and then simultaneously claim they are the problem and don't want to listen.
Its a theme as much as any other on this site.

There are crazy people everywhere, spend some time on Tiktok... I dislike this notion of some collective responsibility gun owners have been forced to take on as if one of us represents all of us... that's been done for political purposes and so many fear a label so much that they will conform to whatever the walls of the label entail rather then being the heretic.
An individual is solely responsible for one's actions and dialogue and when we play this game as if we have to meet some external collective criteria we are playing directly in to the hands of the people who seek to end gun ownership entirely....
It's similar to the current trend of some collective white guilt or the idea that because I was born in Canada I am somehow complicit in colonialism...

It's pure rubbish....
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You sound like a reasonable person and I can respect that. I agree there is a large sense of dread I have been feeling in Canada the last few years. The divisions are growing and it pains me to say that Canada is losing itself. I don't see how a separation would be positive for any side, Canada is better when we are working together and the talk of separation is a sign of disconnect and massive division. I don't see it happening but I can be wrong.

I simply said I sometimes regret even getting into firearms with some of the detestable people I've met and seen since joining the community. It's all about optics especially to the liberals. So I call it out and mention it because it is a massive issue and does not help, in fact it absolutely hurts our cause. I have been accused of being a crazy person simply because I think we should have rights to firearms similar to the states and that we as Canadians should have the rights to defend ourselves, family, friends, strangers, and person property by use of force if necessary. I learned that I can't always say that if I want them to be more open to guns, so I change the optics and tout how we are not a threat (as backed up by stats can) and that we innocent people should not be punished for the actions of bad actors and deranged criminals (shooters) that make up a tiny fraction of our society. I explain that murder and robbery is already illegal and that limiting firearms mostly hurts and targets innocent law abiding citizens that just want enjoy or protect themselves and loved ones. I was not trying to signal out specifically right leaning people, only people that acted and say the stuff I had mentioned.

I hear you on the crazy people thing. However as you know firearms here are a privilege, so if the optics are bad, it makes us all look bad, and that is all the other side ever needs to go against us and convince others. It's the same thing for motorcycles and cars, when some ####### speeds and kills people, it's all the other responsible riders that ultimately will pay if/when legislation is introduced or insurance goes up. I agree it should not be this way but it does appear to be the way it is. We all look bad when a gang member shoots up Toronto. It's just the sad way it is here.

Cheers.
 
They’ll do exactly the same thing DemoNcrats did in USA.
Mark my words, they’ll steel the votes, they’ll introduce mail in voting system “due to covid” and finally announce their victory.
They bought mainstream media so we can’t even touch them in that sense. They are advertising their gun grab on all major radio stations. We have very little chance of stopping them.
Let’s be realistic for a minute here, they are minority government yet they are acting like majority government. Imagine what they’ll do when, yes when, not IF they win and become majority government.
Anyone thinking about taking this to the streets will be labeled as “right wing extremist” and we know how they deal with these groups or individuals. Once you get the label you are are done!
I know this is a very pessimistic prediction but I just don’t see Conservatives winning this election.
Once I did believe in people of this country. Now I don’t.


Good luck
 
BG011 said:
They’ll do exactly the same thing DemoNcrats did in USA.
Mark my words, they’ll steel the votes, they’ll introduce mail in voting system “due to covid” and finally announce their victory.
They bought mainstream media so we can’t even touch them in that sense. They are advertising their gun grab on all major radio stations. We have very little chance of stopping them.
Let’s be realistic for a minute here, they are minority government yet they are acting like majority government. Imagine what they’ll do when, yes when, not IF they win and become majority government.
Anyone thinking about taking this to the streets will be labeled as “right wing extremist” and we know how they deal with these groups or individuals. Once you get the label you are are done!
I know this is a very pessimistic prediction but I just don’t see Conservatives winning this election.
Once I did believe in people of this country. Now I don’t.


Good luck
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As an immigrant who takes the leftist called white supremacy as shiiiiiiiiiiit, I agree.

But never give up fighting. Canada should be loved and saved.

If one day any resistance is futile, perhaps we can go to Czech, Poland or Hungary. Czech has empowered citizens to carrying weapons to shoot terrorists. This is only the last step.
 
My Third Eye said:
First, thank you wolverine for everything you do for the firearms community.

But, man the firearms community is ####ing so toxic at times. The insane conspiracies, the denial of facts and reality, the personal attacks, the one issue voters, the people who are so pathetically unCanadian that they want their province to separate from Canada. And we wonder why the party is losing? Jesus you guys (not Wolverine) sometimes make me regret donating money to the gun orgs. This community is so divided and no one wants to hear other sides or opinions. I'm done, good luck to you all. Definitely have lost my vote. Makes me sad, I love guns but find myself regretting that I ever pursued the interest with the detestable people I've met and seen through it. I completely understand why non gun owners think we are unstable psychopaths. Look at this site for an example.

Guess I'm going on a fishing trip and parting ways from this place/people.

It's been interesting, Cheers.

Sorry for the rant, grammar errors and bad spelling.
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Preach!
This community is its own worst enemy and then "we" blame everyone else for hating us after we have made ourselves, arguably, the most toxic group of people.

I don't agree with the idiot Bill Blair very often but he was not wrong when he said "Not everyone in the gun lobby is extremist, but all extremeists are in the gun lobby". Want to isolate the majority of the most toxic Canadians? You could make your search much more narrow and just start with gun owners.... which is what they are doing exactly. You fu*king idiots did this to us, I don't even blame the other 80% of Canadians for being afraid/ hating us, I do.
 
trimeal1 said:
Preach!
This community is its own worst enemy and then "we" blame everyone else for hating us after we have made ourselves, arguably, the most toxic group of people.

I don't agree with the idiot Bill Blair very often but he was not wrong when he said "Not everyone in the gun lobby is extremist, but all extremeists are in the gun lobby". Want to isolate the majority of the most toxic Canadians? You could make your search much more narrow and just start with gun owners.... which is what they are doing exactly. You fu*king idiots did this to us, I don't even blame the other 80% of Canadians for being afraid/ hating us, I do.
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why would you ironically repeat his tripe? get your head checked
 
My Third Eye said:
You sound like a reasonable person and I can respect that. I agree there is a large sense of dread I have been feeling in Canada the last few years. The divisions are growing and it pains me to say that Canada is losing itself. I don't see how a separation would be positive for any side, Canada is better when we are working together and the talk of separation is a sign of disconnect and massive division. I don't see it happening but I can be wrong.

I simply said I sometimes regret even getting into firearms with some of the detestable people I've met and seen since joining the community. It's all about optics especially to the liberals. So I call it out and mention it because it is a massive issue and does not help, in fact it absolutely hurts our cause. I have been accused of being a crazy person simply because I think we should have rights to firearms similar to the states and that we as Canadians should have the rights to defend ourselves, family, friends, strangers, and person property by use of force if necessary. I learned that I can't always say that if I want them to be more open to guns, so I change the optics and tout how we are not a threat (as backed up by stats can) and that we innocent people should not be punished for the actions of bad actors and deranged criminals (shooters) that make up a tiny fraction of our society. I explain that murder and robbery is already illegal and that limiting firearms mostly hurts and targets innocent law abiding citizens that just want enjoy or protect themselves and loved ones. I was not trying to signal out specifically right leaning people, only people that acted and say the stuff I had mentioned.

I hear you on the crazy people thing. However as you know firearms here are a privilege, so if the optics are bad, it makes us all look bad, and that is all the other side ever needs to go against us and convince others. It's the same thing for motorcycles and cars, when some ####### speeds and kills people, it's all the other responsible riders that ultimately will pay if/when legislation is introduced or insurance goes up. I agree it should not be this way but it does appear to be the way it is. We all look bad when a gang member shoots up Toronto. It's just the sad way it is here.

Cheers.
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The divisions are certainly growing but I think if you look at it like a marriage with irreconcilable differences it is sometimes better in the long run. I agree there is a lot of pain along the way but the alternative is a lifetime in a dysfunctional relationship....
I think this is true in a lot of countries as well... my parents got divorced when I was 16 and the 2 years before hand were excruciating... it sucked and they lost a ton of money but both were better in the long run and so was I

I totally agree that there optics game afoot but rather then play it I would rather shatter it... the rules are being laid out to favor them so by playing along we enable that strategy imo.... the same as using progressive terminology... I don't like to do it because it means we are essentially playing by the skewed rules they are laying out.
Im the same on firearm rights and I use stats can as well and have similarily been thought of as crazy however as previously mentioned... playing their optics games is not something I think is set up for us to have a fair shot at.... eventually the overton window shifts enough that you either stick with it from the outside looking in because it's a firmly held belief or you let it go ... I can't tell other people which way to go but I'm comfortable making that decision for myself...

I totally agree that it has been set up as a privilege but I don't buy it... there is a natural right to self defense, imo i suppose, so therefore firearms rights follows that... The argument I typically make to people who disagree and certainly in the spirit of honest discussion

Can you honestly tell a woman about to be attacked that she shouldn't have a firearm? Or one that did successfully defend themselves with one? If so fine but if the answer is no then you have to ask the question is it better for her to not have it in the hopes the criminal, who doesn't obey the law anyways, can't get one (which we know to be false). Generally most people not firmly ideologically posed to the very notion of a gun gets some food for thought....
So this is why whenever the discussion of collective guilt comes up I generally say that we need to be more focused on personal responsibilities. Not only as individuals but as a society because very few are going to like where we end up when we get to the end of the road of turning away of personal responsibility and along the way it's really only a matter of what order the different ideological groups get swept up but eventually it will eat us all...
 
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Gonna make sure I have a barf bag handy the day after Election Day when JTs smiling face appears on TV extolling his team for delivering a majority.
Will be taking my handguns and semi-auto rifles out of the safe to kiss them goodbye.
 
Hoss274 said:
Gonna make sure I have a barf bag handy the day after Election Day when JTs smiling face appears on TV extolling his team for delivering a majority.
Will be taking my handguns and semi-auto rifles out of the safe to kiss them goodbye.
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if you're going to hand them in, then just give them to me right now
 
Yup. My Third Eye is correct. The starter of this thread even went as far as trying to destroy Ducks Unlimited, an organization that has done more for hunters (gun owners) than any other in the history of Canada. All because they are a conservation organization not an AR club.
 
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