Snider to 24 gauge shotgun conversion?

Here are a few closer pics of the markings on the little snider project


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I've never really looked into these before (just saw it at the gun show and figured.... What the H@#$) so if anyone can tell me anything from these it would be cool
 
Trigger guard is odd configuration. Hammer is non-standard shape.
What is going on with the barrel? Are those threads?
I suspect that the gun is made up. Doesn't mean that it wouldn't be interesting to work with.
 
tiriaq said:
Trigger guard is odd configuration. Hammer is non-standard shape.
What is going on with the barrel? Are those threads?
I suspect that the gun is made up. Doesn't mean that it wouldn't be interesting to work with.
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that barrel is almost uncred all the way

if it was mine id put the barrel on it load up some rounds and shoot it it may work alright the way it is but again a bigger bullet is needed a pure lead
.600" round ball over a good sized grease cookie and a powder charge is common
 
I am putting my 2nd snider back together, have a full length barrel , a cut down (to 2nd band ) stock- but no lock- gee throw that thing at me....
janice

Put it on EE and give me a chance at it.
 
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Ballistic products carries the 24 gauge brass cases for cheap, sometimes has plastic as well. Will Bilozir in Southern Alberta is the guy to check with. With the brass cases you could put a round ball on top and still have a moose gun!
 
I spoke with Will Bilozir at the gun show the same day I bought this little gem, called him today to put my name on the list for when stuff for 24 gauge stuff comes in. He said they should have a shipment within two weeks. Brass for sure and they are hoping for some plastic. hopefully I'll have an idea of what I'm going to do with it by the time I get everything together to build a few rounds. Any hints on a .600 ball mold? Lee offers only up to .580 which I guess would work in theory what is left of the barrel actually looks like it has some decent rifling left. I'll make sure I remember to post pics of what this eventually ends up like.
And I did check the barrel is threaded all the way in, no idea what is up with all the extra threading.
 
LomondK said:
I spoke with Will Bilozir at the gun show the same day I bought this little gem, called him today to put my name on the list for when stuff for 24 gauge stuff comes in. He said they should have a shipment within two weeks. Brass for sure and they are hoping for some plastic. hopefully I'll have an idea of what I'm going to do with it by the time I get everything together to build a few rounds. Any hints on a .600 ball mold? Lee offers only up to .580 which I guess would work in theory what is left of the barrel actually looks like it has some decent rifling left. I'll make sure I remember to post pics of what this eventually ends up like.
And I did check the barrel is threaded all the way in, no idea what is up with all the extra threading.
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lee makes round ball molds up to .690" i have both .600" and .690" the barrel was made with thin rifling and wide grooves(3 or 5 groove 3 groove is around 1 in 78" twist and 5 is around 1 in 48" twist) what looks worn is really not .580 will shoot badly .590"-.600" is common
 
Maybe it's my lack of Snider knowledge but nothing in that picture explains to me why there is 3" of threading to fit the barrel into a 1.5" port, as I said the barrel is fully seated in the action.
 
It is not a snider barrel.( It is as well- not a barrel.) (Snider treads are 53 degree, founded top and rounded bottom- Whitworth.Sir Joseph.)
janice
 
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It is standard BP pipe, threaded with American standard thread that has been filed flat. ( I worked as a pipe fitter at Ft. Mac)
janice
 
Soooooooo. More fun. It does have a .577 chamber bored into it (I have one peice of brass) however the bore is just over .500 in diameter. So either I'm crimping my 24 gauge shells down to .50 or I'm gonna find a new barrel. Choices choices lol
 
LomondK said:
Soooooooo. More fun. It does have a .577 chamber bored into it (I have one peice of brass) however the bore is just over .500 in diameter. So either I'm crimping my 24 gauge shells down to .50 or I'm gonna find a new barrel. Choices choices lol
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its not even a barrel its stadard black pipe you can buy at any hardware store

i say get some 4130 1"x.188" wall seamless tubing from aircraft spruce it has a bore of .625 or so have it threaded and chambered for 2" 24ga shotshells with the brass shells you have to use 20ga wads anyway big thing is here you can only fit about 2" in the action anyway you mite beable to get a little bit more but not much

then get your self some real blackpowder such as goex(its been said sub powders like 777 are not safe in the snider mk3 and yours is made before the mk3 the breech block has no way of locking so i would not chance it even with pyrodex) your most likely only going to get 1/2 oz of shot on top of a small charge of powder and then your wads(1/8" nitro and then a 3/8" or 1/2" fiber wad)
 
There is the question of what is possible, and what is practical.
Making a barrel from a piece of 4130 tubing would require a lathe and a chambering reamer. If someone is being paid to do this, the cost of the project is going to exceed the value of the gun when finished.
How many smiths would have a 24 gauge reamer? Better chance to find a smith with a 20ga reamer.
Reamers have pilots on them to guide the reamer into the bore.
24ga bore is nominally .579; 20ga is .615. Neither a 24ga nor 20ga reamer would have a pilot to fit a .625 bore.
A custom one off reamer or reamer pilot could be made.
A reamer would cost more than a beater, project grade Snider.
A 24ga chamber tapers from .685 to .649; 20ga from .698 to .661. Pilots would likely be .577 and .613 respectively, perhaps a bit smaller.
It would be much easier to install a salvaged Snider barrel - and that is assuming that the threads in the receiver weren't messed up when the pipe threads were jammed in.
Or start with a salvaged Snider barrel receiver unit.
Or thread a salvaged 20ga barrel to fit the Snider receiver.
All this is in the fun project category if you can do it yourself, but quite impractical if the smith's meter is running.
 
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