Snubbie day at the range

Not all snubbies but all are 12.6 with barrels less than 4”

Top row 357’s, second row 22 Lr, remaining 2 rows 38 Special. All are S&W

The 2” J frames are surprising accurate and fun to shoot…


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Around the end of the 20th Century, I made many, many trips to Mexico City of various sorts of business -- most of it personal, either my Ice Cream Store meetings with the franchinse owners or my many side-business tour-trips to take Gringos and Canadians to the weekend bullfights in the Plaza de Toros, Mexico City. I often went by the Mexico City "Army Store" and ordered my allotted 200 rounds of .38 Special ammo and picked up the last month's order. I had to buy whatever they had on hand, be it Remington or Winchester 150 grain LRN, or Federal 130 grain FMJ and once or twice the S&B 158 Grain FMJ Conical shaped bullets.

I chronographed all of it, and most of it was pretty lackadaisical stuff but the S&B stuff was really quite powerful. As I recall, low 900's or high 800's fps out of my 6-inch K-38. If you had to go with factory ammo you could buy, for just raw power with no expansion, that would be the stuff. I imagine it still is. Perhaps the Czechs never got the memo that they could "load down" once the change from PSI to CUP became standard in the loading industry and nobody would ever notice?

Not sure. But it sure kicked in those Airweights. I made a point of looking for any gunshops when I worked in Mexico, found none and was told there was only one place in Mexico City you could legally buy guns. Sadly, I never made it there, wish I could have. - dan
 
Don't know if I have ever encountered a 3 inch revolver. With the J frame likely very nice to carry and shoot when concealment wasn't priority #1.

When I carried a revolver concealed it was usually an issue K-frame Model 10 snubbie.

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When I carried a revolver concealed it was usually an issue K-frame Model 10 snubbie.

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My issued was a Model 15 K frame with adjustable sights. Great shooting gun but I normally carried inside my belt so those sharp edged sights were a pain quite often.

I own the little Mod 37 and the chief authorized me to carry it when I saw fit. There were a number of times I had a brief panic attack because I thought I'd forgotten my snubbie but then reach back to find it there. Never got that feeling very often with the K frame , little things sometimes matter a lot when it comes to comfort and concealment.
 
All the 3” revolver talk inspired me, so they went to the range today. Plus I recall someone mentioned they hadn’t seen any Ruger’s in this thread…

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The HB Model 10 snuck in, but 3 inchers are:

S&W Model 36-1 with the rather uncommon heavy barrel. This belonged to a since passed gunsmith friend who used to carry it in the shop back in the day when they did that sorta thing. I was fortunate to be in that shop not long after this one went on consignment and grabbed it.

S&W 65 with Pachmayr Compacs

And the lone Ruger, an SP101 in 32 H&R Magnum. I installed a Wolf spring kit, fantastic and fun little gun to shoot.

Maybe have to start a thread for a Heavy Duty day at the range lol
 

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My issued was a Model 15 K frame with adjustable sights. Great shooting gun but I normally carried inside my belt so those sharp edged sights were a pain quite often.

I own the little Mod 37 and the chief authorized me to carry it when I saw fit. There were a number of times I had a brief panic attack because I thought I'd forgotten my snubbie but then reach back to find it there. Never got that feeling very often with the K frame , little things sometimes matter a lot when it comes to comfort and concealment.

I found the Glock 27 I later carried easier to conceal than the round butt Model 10 snubbie. ;)

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Calmex, if you need a 38 that handles a heavy load, the Ruger SP101 is interesting.

I am told, but cannot confirm, that the 38Spl version will handle 357 loads in 38 cases. I have done it, with no obvious problems.

The 38 version of the gun has a shorter cylinder and a smaller frame opening.

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Calmex, if you need a 38 that handles a heavy load, the Ruger SP101 is interesting.

I am told, but cannot confirm, that the 38Spl version will handle 357 loads in 38 cases. I have done it, with no obvious problems.

The 38 version of the gun has a shorter cylinder and a smaller frame opening.

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The problem is, the Rugers are beefy and big. I have only rarely been able to carry concealed in situations where if the gun showed, nobody would care. Usually, I've been carrying illegally, or at the very least, without all the i's dotted and all the t's crossed. So I needed to have really good concealment. It had to work all day long and in a warm climate. Central Mexico is generally not a "hot" climate, it's a warm climate and it's reliably warm. Most days of the year are "shortsleeve" days and only a few are "longsleeve" days. Canada totally sucks by comparison if you like -- no, actually covet -- a warm climate as I do.

S&W J-frames or Colt Detective Specials seem to be about the largest guns I can conceal to a degree that makes me comfortable. The Walther PPK line, small enough to conceal as well, although described in the book "The Man with the Golden Gun" by the killer Scaramanga with the line "Yeah, that's a stopper", most certainly is not. There are some newer 9's on the market that I'm sure conceal well, but they are not available in Mexico and in 9 m.m. violate the prohibition against Military calibers -- which means jail if you get caught carrying illegally instead of just a misdemeanor that you can wiggle out of and probably even get your gun back. So, a pocket carried .38 it is. It's not quite enough power, but it's almost enough. The huge and comfortable Crimson Trace Laser grips on my wife's Model 60 (no dash) seen here are too big for the pocket. She used a Ray's Holsters Concealed carry purse that even passed a Mexican Secret Service inspection when she had Margarita Zavala (wife of then President Filipe Calderon) drop in to see the wife in her office. They didn't have any scanners, just a visual check -- but they did not find the hidden compartment with her snubby.

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This Colt Detective Special fit into my Bianchi Pistol Pocket, although a bit tight. It certainly fills the pocket, but it does fit and it gives an extra shot over the S&W J-frames. I sort of covet a DS, but I have to work with what I have.

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The mini-Glocks are available in .380 ACP, and can be modified to .380 Cal with a bit of work to give you the power of a 9 m.m. . A good friend carries this one, with the pocket/belt clip and the trigger thong (I've never worn a "thong" myself) to prevent unplanned vasectomies. I think you'd be in a gray area, though, if caught with one. Technically, you're legal -- but what if they don't want you to be? The law in Mexico is not applied evenly. Money doesn't necessarily get you off. Who you know, and who might vouch for you is a far more reliable recourse when you're in trouble. I know I can get away with a pocket .38. Why push it? Reality is: carry what you can get away with. It probably won't be what you want, but as long as it'll do.....

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Colt DS laid over a mini-Glock for size comparison.

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So give your snubby it's service check, and get your pocket holster.

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Insert snubby into pocket holster.

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Push entire weapons system into appropriate pocket.

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Blouse shirt over pocket untucked to cover but not obstruct.

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Go to taco stand. Be cool. That's how it's done. The Rugers are too big.

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I agree with the big and heavy. Especially heavy. That makes the Rugers nice plinkers or console guns.

The M37.38 and Colt are nice and light, although the Colt is a bit fatter. The Detective is same shape as the Cobra and Agent, but heavier.
If I had to pocket carry, I think it would be a M37 or M38. Or a PPK. One of them is the L model (aluminum frame).
 
One of the boys had his 45/70 revolver at the range last week, Would that count? Kind of not a pocket pistol.
I use to like the little NAA's models. Last mouse I got was with 12 ga, He should have known better .

Fellow I know had his press set up for 357m and forgot and loads 38 sp brass with the 357 loads for a model 28 SW, N frame.
He said it worked great, but the screws started to back out of the side plate. I would not want to try it on a J frame, or even my m19
 
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