So bought my first gun today....
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That is more or less the going rate for an SKS these days, minus the sand
. Mineral spirits will get rid of a lot of the cosmoline from the metal, but boiling water seems to do it the best. Sweating the cosmoline out of the wood is the best idea, and the weather is just about right to do so should you want to keep the stock out of the oven.I highly recommend giving the Red Rifles section of the forum a peak as there is a lot of valuable information that will help you.
That's sand for sure. I wonder how it gets in these rifles. Someone else had that, pretty sure it wasn't from Epps either. Probably there from the arsenal refurb days. I doubt it was operated with the sand in it, so should still be fine after a thorough cleaning.
I still haven't fired my SKS, getting the itch too.
I still haven't fired my SKS, getting the itch too.
I have seen the sand in a few of the ones I have dealt with. I suspect it has filtered into the guns either before they were permanently stored or even during the refurb process. They were probably near the sand blasting areas and some SKSs were near enough to have some get in them. They probably figured why take the time to clean them out again if they are being stored for later use or military aide. They probably just figured let the ones using them clean 'em... and we are Cleaned out they function fine.
Cleaned out they function fine.It means there is not a refurb stamp on it. Not all refurbs are marked. You have to take the gun as a whole to tell whether refurb or unrefurb. Others with more experience with the Mosins can give more details. However a lot of the refurb Mosins have the Molot markings under the handguard and the little diamonds with RNC in it.
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Nothing under the handguard?
Ain't that just the case !!!
Finally had a chance to take a closer look at both rifles this morn, broke the SKS right down to see the extent of sand, and also too the hand guard off the M44 as suggested earlier - here are some pics:
Found a marking on the M44 Bolt too
As far as the SKS goes looks like I got one of these: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...SKS-imports-yet-new-source-for-them-is-Russia
Anyone have more info or links to info about the company that is importing these?
Found a marking on the M44 Bolt too
As far as the SKS goes looks like I got one of these: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...SKS-imports-yet-new-source-for-them-is-Russia
Anyone have more info or links to info about the company that is importing these?
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You guys, the sand in the receiver is ultra high tech Russian lapping compound. You see, when these SKSs are built, they have such tight tolerances, they need to "wear in" a little to ensure reliability in the field...
That is a "proofing house" mark. See more info under the picture.
The diamond is a C.I.P. Proof mark from the Proof House of Klimovsk
Ref, Forensic Ballistics in Court: Interpretation and Presentation of Firearms ... By Brian J. Heard, page 60, Figure 3.0.6
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Klimovsk:
Proof-House for the proof of small arms
2 bld., Zavodskaja str.
RUS-142 181 Klimovsk
Russia
Head: Vladimir A. Artemov
E-Mail: tsniitochmash @ podolsk.ru
Tel: +7-095-580 56 06
Fax: +7-095-996 59 10
Russia is a C.I.P. Member State, and any firearm offered for sale must be proofed at an accredited proof house. Same goes for ammo, which is why you see the same mark on boxes of Wolf and Tula ammo:
The diamond is a C.I.P. Proof mark from the Proof House of Klimovsk
Ref, Forensic Ballistics in Court: Interpretation and Presentation of Firearms ... By Brian J. Heard, page 60, Figure 3.0.6
Image
Klimovsk:
Proof-House for the proof of small arms
2 bld., Zavodskaja str.
RUS-142 181 Klimovsk
Russia
Head: Vladimir A. Artemov
E-Mail: tsniitochmash @ podolsk.ru
Tel: +7-095-580 56 06
Fax: +7-095-996 59 10
Russia is a C.I.P. Member State, and any firearm offered for sale must be proofed at an accredited proof house. Same goes for ammo, which is why you see the same mark on boxes of Wolf and Tula ammo:
I believe this is a Molot import.
Here is what I have read in the past on www.russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com.
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=17818
"A Russian commercial firearms exporter and maker of sporting rifles. They have exported a number of Mosin rifles in the last couple of years to various parts of the globe including the US. There are questions as to what Molot has done to the milsurps they sell to make them more appealing to buyers who prefer "pretty" antique rifles. These questions go unanswered by the company so we consider them as they claim themselves to be, a seller of hunting rifles until more information comes to light."
Finally got out to the range with both of these rifles on friday. The SKS groups way better than I had expected, and man the M44 is a cannon. I put 100 rounds of surplus through each rifle, the M44 started oozing cosmo from the stock after it got nice and hot, looks like it may have taken some of the finish with it when I wiped it down. Took some photos and video, heres a taste. (Click the pic for video)
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