So I think I had a slam fire with my M305??

Tikka223 said:
I edited my first post. I think I have read 2 stories about M305s exploding.
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There are a lot more than that mentioned here alone, and a lot that have gone back to the dealers from people who aren't on gunnutz, hence the proof testing measures that have been put in place by one noted dealer (admirable, really). Your incident is curious because of the failure to eject on the second round, that's a weird one I can't explain.

As for Norc safety, just remember $400 worth of quality control is containing 60,000psi inches from your face. If they fail wrong, force equivalent to a gunshot can be expelled into the shooter. Considering there are more failures with Norcs than any other gun discussed on this site, in my opinion, you were right to feel a little uneasy.

People will tear into me now as this isn't a popular opinion here. Just watch the fun start. :)
 
RememberTheSomme said:
Tikka223, I don't know how much experience with recoiling, center-fire semi-autos you have, so I'll suggest something for you to try. Ensure you have a firm grip on the trigger hand. Push your thumb in- line behind the receiver and press the trigger with tip back into center line of stock. Remember to control the rifle with your strong hand(trigger hand), and support only with the other. This method I feel does two things with this rifle in particular. One,..it helps control windage dispersion of your rounds from a push or pull against the trigger and the resulting groups if you like to shoot prone unsupported, and two,...it allows my controlling hand to recoil in unison with the rifle and allows for a nice follow through and positive trigger reset.

If your rifle is performing as designed, then this strong hand control technique will ensure no more doubles.

You said you are getting 3MOA, so I know you have marksmanship abilities,..... I'm just thinking you are trying to be too relaxed on the trigger hand like a precision bolt gun shooter, and consequently allowing a double inadvertently like someone trying to bump-fire.

May help, it does for me, others may suggest other grip techniques, but I know you have to control these rifles with your strong hand like most center fire semi autos.


:canadaFlag: Happy Canada Day to you and yours,....... and never forget the Somme, July 1st, 1916.
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This is also something I'd agree with. You have to grip the rifle firmly with that trigger hand. I've accidentally bump fired my rifles a few times more than I'd care to admit and each time it was a surprise ..... by having a moderate to relaxed trigger /stock wrist grip.
It "could" be the issue.
 
Ardent said:
There are a lot more than that mentioned here alone, and a lot that have gone back to the dealers from people who aren't on gunnutz, hence the proof testing measures that have been put in place by one noted dealer (admirable, really). Your incident is curious because of the failure to eject on the second round, that's a weird one I can't explain.

As for Norc safety, just remember $400 worth of quality control is containing 60,000psi inches from your face. If they fail wrong, force equivalent to a gunshot can be expelled into the shooter. Considering there are more failures with Norcs than any other gun discussed on this site, in my opinion, you were right to feel a little uneasy.

People will tear into me now as this isn't a popular opinion here. Just watch the fun start. :)
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Ardent, no argument here, you are spot on. A $400 rifle is $300 before dealer markup and less shipping means a cheap rifle. Be careful.


Remember.......misery loves company........
 
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Ardent, you are like a broken record...one that's stuck on the worst part of the song!
I think you actually want people to come on here and tear into you about this crap again...aren't you getting tired of it?
Yes, a few rifles have gone kaboom...please tell us what you mean by " a lot more"...
Also, I'd like you to provide us with at least one example of your favorite scare tactic...the much dreaded 60000psi in the face...has it ever happened?
 
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Ardent said:
There are a lot more than that mentioned here alone, and a lot that have gone back to the dealers from people who aren't on gunnutz, hence the proof testing measures that have been put in place by one noted dealer (admirable, really). Your incident is curious because of the failure to eject on the second round, that's a weird one I can't explain.

As for Norc safety, just remember $400 worth of quality control is containing 60,000psi inches from your face. If they fail wrong, force equivalent to a gunshot can be expelled into the shooter. Considering there are more failures with Norcs than any other gun discussed on this site, in my opinion, you were right to feel a little uneasy.

People will tear into me now as this isn't a popular opinion here. Just watch the fun start. :)
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Your right people are going to tear into you now. As you are pulling stuff out of your ass and trying to pass it on as gospel.

I think its time for you to back up your claims that you have been posting all over. Go on, this is your chance to shut everyone up. Show me info to back up all this BS

Shawn
 
... Norinco firearms have the most issues on here because
1.they are the most common, 80% of the members here have at least one .. Me personally I have more than 5.
2. They are a cheap gun that a lot of newbies get a hold of .. Mess with, then come online to pick up the pieces
3. A lot of these guns come with 1000 round packages, a 400 dollar gun after 1000 rounds is going to need some maintenance/parts


But hey cheap Chinese crap.. Don't buy them .... More for me
 
Just a thought. If there were that many recorded instances of exploding Norcs, Im sure our glorious leaders would have taken them off the shelves by now. Or at least reclassified them as IEDs
 
What I find funny is when skullboy or hungry posts the virtures of these rifles, as they have since CGN was born.... Started a whole community. Based here.... Ya know... "Don't buy one, buy two and so on" .... Ardent keeps his mouth shut LOL

Preach on brother, preach on.
Kinda reminds me of the old leper wandering the dusty streets with a big placard reading "repent, the end is near".... Or like chicken little, convinced the sky is falling LOL

Oooops , here it comes , the accusations of personal attacks .... Wait for it....

LOL , that caps my long weekend :D

As an aside, I have a ledger with over 300 norinco serial numbers of rifles I've personally handled that have NOT gone boom.
And 2 that have. One a cracked bolt... Reload error , operator admitted.
Second, bolt roller failure, not so uncommon in the platform in general.
Those are just norincos.
Then there's the few hundred I've handled at clinics.... We'd know if one of them went boom.
Then there is the few hundred or more Hungry's played with.... And I could go on.
This is from my years as a professional M14 smith. Not passed on from a buddy who said his rifle blew up.
I think , based on experience and fact, the all norcs are garbage crowd is just plain blowin smoke
 
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BongoBob said:
Ardent, you are like a broken record...one that's stuck on the worst part of the song!
I think you actually want people to come on here and tear into you about this crap again...aren't you getting tired of it?
Yes, a few rifles have gone kaboom...please tell us what you mean by " a lot more"...
Also, I'd like you to provide us with at least one example of your favorite scare tactic...the much dreaded 60000psi in the face...has it ever happened?
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Yes, message watermine he's the guy who's head was bleeding after one of the recent bolt failures, what's left of the rifle is being sent here.

For those wanting me to spoon feed them info, sure, if I get time from the family I can give too many risky issues (and yes, blow ups) just off this forum alone and the search function. For anyone reading this forum regularly, you'd have to be in complete denial to "demand proof" and claim you're not seeing what is posted in public here. Off the top of my head in the last several months I've read owner's accounts of at least a couple barrel blow ups, cracked gas cylinders, at least two bolt blow ups (mentioned both in one thread, I believe there was another outside that thread...?), trigger issues (full auto'ing), bent op rods, etc etc. There's also a well known (to here) photo of a shorty in two pieces as well, the owner is braver than I as he accepted a replacement.

The choice is yours if you're willing to shoot a gun that blows up more than any other gun many of us own in droves such as milsurps, and most Norcs are decent. It's the bad apple in the wagonload that is enough to make some say "no thanks", I'm one. This isn't a democracy and those against the crowd are lambasted with zeal that would make the best Iranian political hard liner proud. The demands for proof when all one needs to do is read the forum we're posting in gives me the same picture. :) Be aware as stated almost universally it is the latest Norcs sporting the greatest and most worrisome issues. Quality has by most opinions I read dropped substantially, quotes can be searched for to this affect as well even from the most "ardent" Norc fans. The Norcs I dealt with in the last I wouldn't have the same concern over.

Make your call, and we'll all continue to share our opinions.
 
I'd just like to get back to the original discussion about the slam fire, which really , has nothing to do with it being chinese or otherwise.

If ardent wants to put all his energies into "proving people wrong" , he can fill his boots, just start your own thread so we can choose to view it or not.

Most of us are here to help fellow m14/M1A shooters get the best out of their rifles regardless of brand, AND try and assist folks with the troubles they may be having.

Everytime there's a glitch with someone's rifle.... Along comes buddy. It's getting silly.
 
LET'S STICK TO THE TOPIC PLEASE! I respect everyone's opinion but CGN doesn't need bickering in every thread.

I haven't oiled the firing pin, I figured this would just invite crap to get stuck in there.

As for the strong hand shooting I will pay extra attention to it on my next range outing, I suppose it is possible.

45Apacking, since you have ernes the title of "expert", can you please tell me, is what I've experienced a symptom of an imminent failure or do I not need to worry?
 
I am far from an expert but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn last night ...so here goes.
I say its nothing to worry about . Try the strong hand grip as suggested .
 
skip1600 said:
... Norinco firearms have the most issues on here because
1.they are the most common, 80% of the members here have at least one .. Me personally I have more than 5.
2. They are a cheap gun that a lot of newbies get a hold of .. Mess with, then come online to pick up the pieces
3. A lot of these guns come with 1000 round packages, a 400 dollar gun after 1000 rounds is going to need some maintenance/parts


But hey cheap Chinese crap.. Don't buy them .... More for me
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I'll add too that of the stories that I've seen, there seems to be a correlation with reloaded ammo... That's not a statistical fact by any means, but since I meet conditions #1 and #2 above, I have tried to pay attention to the conditions with the few stories that I have seen.
 
Tikka223 said:
I haven't oiled the firing pin, I figured this would just invite crap to get stuck in there.
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Exactly. I pointed it out cause it wasn't mentioned in the thread so far. The firing pin get run bone dry.

I have never worked with break cleaner before, will it dry out well after cleaning the stuff out?
To me cleaning an area that has to be dry by spraying wet stuff in it is counter intuitive.

I'm more a precision clean kind of guy. I take the bolt apart and clear the channel manually. Pipe cleaners work well.
But as mentioned, unless you know what your doing, putting the bolt back together is quite the feat.

Do you have a soft jaw vise ?

You did buy the thing used, generally when I get a gun like that used, I go thru' it with a fine tooth comb, every pin every spring to make sure everything is as it should be.
 
X3 and if yer concerned, follow up with pressurize air, compressor, air in a can ect.

I do the complete bolt (and rifle) disassembly every 300 to 500 rounds. Using a bolt tool to disassemble and reassemble and I also use brake cleaner and pipe cleaners. Amazing the crap that does get in there even when run dry.
After reassembly , shake the bolt and that firing pin should be rattling away.
 
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