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Picked up a late model xcr-L with a really good trigger, and have been reading through the dcra rules. That has led me to the following questions.

1. Are all SR comps run by dcra rules?

If so....

2. I generally use a Vickers blue force sling (2 point) with a padded section (for comfort). Is that the type of padding forbidden in SR?

3. With a 2 point sling config (around the body) is it then allowable to wrap your front arm in the sling? (Similar to a modified hasty sling position?)

4. While in the prone position, Is it permissible to support the front of the rifle by placing your front hand between the pistol fore grip and the ground?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance fellas
Glenn :)
 
ggh said:
Picked up a late model xcr-L with a really good trigger, and have been reading through the dcra rules. That has led me to the following questions.

1. Are all SR comps run by dcra rules?

If so....

2. I generally use a Vickers blue force sling (2 point) with a padded section (for comfort). Is that the type of padding forbidden in SR?

3. With a 2 point sling config (around the body) is it then allowable to wrap your front arm in the sling? (Similar to a modified hasty sling position?)

4. While in the prone position, Is it permissible to support the front of the rifle by placing your front hand between the pistol fore grip and the ground?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance fellas
Glenn :)
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1. Pretty close as most use them as a basis.
2. Your sling will get very little use other than carrying your rifle to and from the butts.
3, Yes, but it creates more problems than it is worth, in reality slings are of very little value in Canadian SR (CQB is where slings are useful) I only use mine in military comps involving obstacles.
4. Yes, only the mag can touch the ground, if it is resting in you hand it is not on the ground. That said the magwell of rifles with the same dimensions as the AR is where 95% of the population will comfortably put their weak hand in prone. It lets you get straight behind the rifle which I recommend.
 
Thanks GL,
Why are slings of such little use in Canadian SR? Legalities? Too slow? Lateral pressure on barrel/poi shift?

For instance, I just cannot do the mag/trigger on the knee position during kneeling, but can shoot some great groups with a sling supported kneeling position.

Interesting.
 
A sling may be used as an aid while shooting, but I only recall one shooter at the nationals doing this, and he was from the US, where slings are commonly used in their National Match course of fire..
 
Suggest you contact the ORA match director and get the CoF if you are planning on shooting those matches. They are much more dynamic, and faster pace than the NSCC matches. The same number of individual matches are run in half the time.

The ORA does not allow slings to be worn around the body while the rifle is loaded, for safety reasons. You can use the sling around the elbow for support, BUT, you will have it apply after you've gotten into your kneeling position. That may be difficult to do in snaps, where you need to decend into the kneeling position and fire two shots in 8-10 seconds.
 
kombayotch said:
Suggest you contact the ORA match director and get the CoF if you are planning on shooting those matches. They are much more dynamic, and faster pace than the NSCC matches. The same number of individual matches are run in half the time.

The ORA does not allow slings to be worn around the body while the rifle is loaded, for safety reasons. You can use the sling around the elbow for support, BUT, you will have it apply after you've gotten into your kneeling position. That may be difficult to do in snaps, where you need to decend into the kneeling position and fire two shots in 8-10 seconds.
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Hmmm. I guess I won't be hearing, "ON SAFE....LET 'EM HANG." at these ranges.

What is CoF?
 
You'll never sling a loaded weapon at any SR match. Even at CQB, the rifles are cleared by the safety person before they are slung. Holstered pistols will never have a round in the tube either. They will never have a mag inserted when not on the firing line.

CoF = Course of Fire.
 
kombayotch said:
You'll never sling a loaded weapon at any SR match. Even at CQB, the rifles are cleared by the safety person before they are slung. Holstered pistols will never have a round in the tube either. They will never have a mag inserted when not on the firing line.

CoF = Course of Fire.
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CQB without a single or two-point sling? Huh. With that said, I suddenly appreciate the realistic cqb and tactical shooting I get through my agency. I suppose safety is truly relative. Thanks for the info. tty
 
Have a look at www.osacanada.ca. There is a SR match August 17th and 18th, using the DCRA/NSCC course of fire.
This is an outstanding opportunity to prepare for the Nationals.
 
ggh said:
CQB without a single or two-point sling? Huh. With that said, I suddenly appreciate the realistic cqb and tactical shooting I get through my agency. I suppose safety is truly relative. Thanks for the info. tty
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Most use single point slings at CQB.

The proceedures are there to allow people of all skill levels to participate in these matches, without compromising safety.
 
The proceedures are there to allow people of all skill levels to participate in these matches, without compromising safety.[/QUOTE]

That is understandable. And makes perfect sense when you look at the context. That said, a person can have greater control (not less) over their rifle when it is properly 'slung.' But I digress into a different context, and it does require training.

Thanks for all the help guys. it will be a challenge, but I shall try practicing slingless. :)
 
I would say you could adopt a hasty sling in the kneeling position pretty quick. In fact would you not able to keep your sling wrapped in your sling the entire time or wrap your arm in it on your way down? I've never given slings much thought for SR not looked up specific rules for use of them.

Komb - can shed some more light on this? Thanks.
 
You could have your arm thru it, but if you've got it locked up in such a way that it looks like you're might lose balance on your way down, or can't keep the muzzle pointed down range, the RSO is going to put a stop to it.
 
I see your point and agree. I think a shooter can get in the hasty sling pretty quick once down though. If locking the mag over the knee is not a option for some, this would be a better option than unsupported elbows on knee.

Getting into the sling quickly could be practiced at home too.
 
Some shooters also place the mag on top of the knee, some put the bottom of the grip on top of the knee with success.
 
Unless you can guarantee that you can put the exact same amount of pressure on your sling every time you use it, it's not worth the usual poi shift. Like GL said forget the sling.
 
Longshot said:
Unless you can guarantee that you can put the exact same amount of pressure on your sling every time you use it, it's not worth the usual poi shift. Like GL said forget the sling.
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I personally only use sling tension when I have free float set up. I've seen the drastic POI sift first hand, 6 MOA or more with one hunting rifle I had. Darn European sling mounts attached to the barrel at I sort of forgot about. Opps :)
 
There was a test floating around somewhere I read by Keith and Linda at milcun that still showed change of poi even with a free float tube on there believe it or not. For me, when there's one or two points between winning and second, I'm not going to risk using a sling. I was teaching in a DM course and we saw huge changes when using a bipod too. Like a foot or more at 100m.
 
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