So I'm trying to sell my Jungle Carbine...

The average person walking down the street has NO idea whatsoever about the actuality of being a legitimate firearms owner. They believe what they read in the mass media, which largely is written by people with a Grade 12 education, the very best ones supplemented by a year or two in journalism school. I know: I was a journalist myself.

People just have no idea.

If you were to try to explain to people that you had served in the Canadian Forces and had been trained with a specific rifle, and then, years later, had bought an identical rifle and used it for competition shooting, they MIGHT understand a bit.
But if you then were to tell them that this rifle, your legitimate competition rifle, legally owned and legally shot on licensed rifle ranges and at Canadian Forces bases, now could not even be taken out of your house because it had been re-classified as a 'terrorist weapon'...... they likely would not believe you. But this has happened. Ask anyone who owns an FAL.

The biggest problem we face is utter ignorance.

Most people believe in 'semi-automatic machine-guns'. WE KNOW that such a thing does not exist.
Most people see something about a shooting on TV and say, "The should be a law against that!" They don't understand that there HAS been a law against killing your neighbours.... for at least 3200 years since Moses wrote it down...... and against the weapons being used...... at LEAST since 1934.
Some dodo gets his hands on something wierd and people say it should be banned. Look at the AK problem: the AK was effectively banned in Canada in 1934. It was invented in 1947. Canada's laws, if anything, are 'pro-actice' (that word so dear to the hearts of seal-hunt activists and protestors and other folks who, were they gun ownerts, would be called 'rioters' and 'terrorists').

Federal Cabinet Ministers and Prime Ministers attend fund-raisers for terrorist organisations (the Tamil Tigers are a great example here, Mister Cretin)...... and people think it's allright.
But they think that WE are evil.

And we're not the ones doing the nasties.

Best thing any of us can do is take a journalist and a neighbour to the rifle range for an afternoon..... and EXPLAIN all the bullsh*t, one step at a time: every single permit, every single having to prove your legal sanity, every single begging on your knees for official approval to do something LEGAL with your own property.

And THEN, the very next time there is a news item about a robbery or a murder..... total up ALL the Criminal Code offences and ask the newspaper guy WHY all of these charges were not laid, applied, prosecuted and penalised..... because they certainly would be if it had been one of US.

Neighbours and journalists: take 'em to the range, get 'em on our side.
Therough a combination of ignorance and misinformation, they have been, in effect, on the OTHER side for far too long. And most of them don't even know it.

This guy's frightened neighbour just might be a good place to start..... along with the Editor of the local paper, who SHOULD have known better.
 
Nothing I've seen rev's CGN'ers up like a slight on LE's
But the words "which largely is written by people with a Grade 12 education, the very best ones supplemented by a year or two in journalism school"
That statement could be taken as a poor attitude there; I've got a Grade 12 education, surely that does not make me an individual less intelligent or worthy than someone with a post-secondary education does it?
I think I'd thank the striving to be helpful individual; then maybe inform him of his mistake.
Be productive about it not condesending.
IMO
 
I worked as a journalist, ended up with 15 journalism awards to prove it.
YOU might have a Grade 12 and still have an open mind AND be relatively literate, but a lot are not. A good part of my work had to do with correcting (editing) grammar and spelling 'misteaks' which the Grade Six teachers should have hounded out of the writers. Many Grade 12 graduates of today are not fit to read a newspaper, even though (biggest secret of the profession) any word above a Grade 5 reading level is explained in the text.... and even less are fit to write one. Likely, you know a number of examples yourself. But that is merely basic literacy.

What REALLY matters is sum total knowledge. I was 33 when I became Editor of a newspaper. When I was 18, I was just as incompetent to do THAT job as most high-school grads of today. It wasn't basic literacy that made me incompetent; it was the lack of sum total knowledge.

Now you ADD this to some poor kid who has just had a couple of years in a left-wing journalism school piled on top of their public-school 'education' and 15 years of leftish brainwashing from The Tube. You can't POSSIBLY expect this person to write a fair, balanced and objective story about something as anti-social as (gasp! choke!) GUNS. Their entire education to date tells them that guns are evil, guns should be banned and everybody with a gun behaves more or less the way Steven Seagull does...... except that the brighter ones do realise that he is shooting blanks.

These people need to be EDUCATED..... and we are the only ones who are willing to do it AND are competent to do it.

That was my point.

The more TRUTH people know, the lower the FEAR level will go. And some of them might even wake up and start THINKING instead of just REACTING in a conditioned knee-jerk reflex.

Take a journalist shooting.

Who knows, he (or she) might even end up on our side!
 
Smellie - Well said.

Knowledge will fight fear, but knowledge requires somebody to teach. It ain't gonna happen without us.
 
My Journalist friend (who is a pinko NDP voter from Ottawa;)) comes to the range with me when ever he can. Has has yet to put a story in the local paper about the positive roll of firearms in are lives, but I'm working on him!

And I'm sorry if anyone is a pinko NDP voter from Ottawa, it's not my fault.
 
Actually it is 11 rounds. 1 rd in the chamber locked & loaded & 10 more in the mag.
 
Sorry, but while I agree with telling them that they are wrong, we don't do ourselves any favours by rubbing anything in. All that does is p*** off another voter and, in this case, one who seems to have been trying to do the OP a favour.

Much as it may be pleasing to unlimber the verbal flamethrower at times like this, if our shooting sports are going to survive in this country, we need to bring the average citizen on-side, to make them realize that we gun owners are not a bunch of bloodthirsty, caustic morons. Doing our research and talking rationally and politely will do us far more good.

manitoumini14 - I would suggest you bring the true info to the attention of your source, then tell them - sincerely - thanks for their concern.

Then invite them to the range.

Clearly by the smiley face I was Joking :p
 
If you were to try to explain to people that you had served in the Canadian Forces and had been trained with a specific rifle, and then, years later, had bought an identical rifle and used it for competition shooting, they MIGHT understand a bit.
But if you then were to tell them that this rifle, your legitimate competition rifle, legally owned and legally shot on licensed rifle ranges and at Canadian Forces bases, now could not even be taken out of your house because it had been re-classified as a 'terrorist weapon'...... they likely would not believe you. But this has happened. Ask anyone who owns an FAL.


Excellent post! As an owner of a few FNs this part especially appealed to me.
 
The actual law can be found in
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/PDF/Regulation/S/SOR-98-462.pdf

PROHIBITED DEVICES
...
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.

(2) Paragraph (1)(a) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is chambered for, or designed to use, rimfire cartridges,
(ii) is a rifle of the type commonly known as the “Lee Enfield” rifle, where the magazine is capable of containing not more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed, or
(iii) is commonly known as the U.S. Rifle M1 (Garand) including the Beretta M1 Garand rifle, the Breda M1 Garand rifle and the Springfield Armoury M1 Garand rifle;
(b) is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that
(i) is commonly known as the Charlton Rifle,
(ii) is commonly known as the Farquhar-Hill Rifle, or
(iii) is commonly known as the Huot Automatic Rifle;
(c) is of the “drum” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm commonly known as
(i) the .303 in. Lewis Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Lewis Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Lewis SS and .30 in. Savage-Lewis,
(ii) the .303 in. Vickers Mark 1 machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1*, Mark 2, Mark 2*, Mark 3, Mark 4, Mark 4B, Mark 5, Mark 6, Mark 6* and Mark 7, or
(iii) the Bren Light machine-gun, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Mark 1, Mark 2, Mark 2/1, Mark 3 and Mark 4;
(d) is of the “metallic-strip” type, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in conjunction with the firearm known as the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1895 or Model 1897, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Hotchkiss machine-gun, Model 1900, Model 1909, Model 1914 and Model 1917, and the Hotchkiss machine-gun (Enfield), Number 2, Mark 1 and Mark 1*;
(e) is of the “saddle-drum” type (doppeltrommel or satteltrommel), is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for use in the automatic firearms known as the MG-13, MG-15, MG-17, MG-34, T6-200 or T6-220, or any variant or modified version of it; or
(f) is of the “belt” type consisting of a fabric or metal belt, is not a reproduction and was originally designed or manufactured for the purpose of feeding cartridges into a automatic firearm of a type that was in existence before 1945.

(3) Paragraph (1)(b) does not include any cartridge magazine that
(a) is of the “snail-drum” type (schneckentrommel) that was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a handgun known as the Parabellum-Pistol, System Borchardt-Luger, Model 1900, or “Luger”, or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1902, Model 1904 (Marine), Model 1904/06 (Marine), Model 1904/08 (Marine), Model 1906, Model 1908 and Model 1908 (Artillery) pistols;
(b) was originally designed or manufactured for use in a firearm that is a semi-automatic handgun, where the magazine was manufactured before 1910;
(c) was originally designed or manufactured as an integral part of the firearm known as the Mauser Selbstladepistole C/96 (“broomhandle”), or any variant or modified version of it, including the Model 1895, Model 1896, Model 1902, Model 1905, Model 1912, Model 1915, Model 1930, Model 1931, M711 and M712; or
(d) was originally designed or manufactured for use in the semi-automatic firearm that is a handgun known as the Webley and Scott Self-Loading Pistol, Model 1912 or Model 1915.

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
Clearly by the smiley face I was Joking :p
DeerStalker - If I misinterpreted your post, I apologize. To me, it was not obvious, especially given the rather rabid remarks of other posters on so many similar threads on this forum.

The antis make a lot of mileage by portraying legal gun owners as drooling, irresponsible, blood-thirsty rednecks. The comments so common on this forum ("Just tell them to F off!", "I'd just give them the finger and walk away!", "Tell them to mind their own $@!~ business!") play directly into that image. Its effect on public opinion is akin to a slowly-motion playground shooting spree.

The level of surliness, the aggressive tone and the world-class overreaction in some posts has me wondering if some people around here are in fact mature enough, balanced enough, to be trusted with firearms.

If the only thing left of shooting sports in Canada in 25 years are a few old farts banging their gums together about how good it used to be when we were still allowed to have guns, a fair bit of the blame would be fairly attributed to that sort of attitude.

If we want to keep on shooting, the onus is on every last one of us to turn that around, to convince the average person that we're sane, responsible, normal people and that firearms are not Satan's Scat. You don't do that with obscenities, rudeness or temper; you do that with patience, educated knowledge and by taking the time to explain the facts to people who have been misinformed.

Have a nice weekend.
 
No problem. It's hard to interpret peoples intentions over the web a lot of times. I just have a weird sense of humor I suppose. Good luck with the sale. I recently purchased a No.5 JC. Great little rifles.
 
Wowie, a lot of sand in the panties here. A few people here should change their prescriptions, or get one. Such heated debates over minor misunderstanding of ridiculous regulations. Just kiss and make up already.:adult:
 
on my local town forum classifieds.
I even threw in some pictures of the rifle.
I ended up getting an email about the pictures
from someone who works on the forum. it stated...
"Do yourself a favor and get rid of these pictures. They show the 10 round mag which is currently illegal."
Is this true for Manitoba???
Please help with some correct info.
I'm kind of freaked out now!:confused:

Thank you.

Sell your gun here and forget your local hIcK classified forum
as it just brings out the hAySeEdS with lOw Iq'S.
 
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