So is the MRA Renegade and Troy PAR it?
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It's possible they have fixed some of the rather minor issues they have, the R&D is mostly done. The fact they are still producing the rifles after 5 or 6 years and they did do some tweaks seems to suggest they are invested in the product. Not dialing it in just makes them look bad in my opinion, but like I stated, it's possible they have quietly fixed some of the issues. I believe they have a pretty good warranty but they were unwilling to send out the updated parts for the connection between the op rod and the bolt block.
The PAR is indeed a "niche" firearm, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have some limited, practical applications. I took a 5.56mm model, cut back the Handguard about 1" (without interfering with the pump action), installed a 9" .300 Blk Barrel, and reduced the outer diameter of a low-profile Gas Block to fit under the pump mechanism while sealing the Gas Port (spin it 180-degrees). That gave me a rifle well nder the legal NR limit of 26" overall length (OAL) with the stock folded, so I pinned it in the open position. I installed a Noveske "Flaming Pig" linear compensator for recoil control and a TriggerTech Trigger Pack for enhanced accuracy. Topped off with a Primary Arms 1x Prismatic Optic, it is a handy, lightweight, accurate, reliable and rapid-fire carbine.
The above modifications give me a near-perfect predator defence carbine for when I am out ATVing with the Wife. It fits in a pair of "Rhine Grips" right in front of the Handlebars where it is readily accessible from the driver's position. Fed a diet of supersonic 150 gr HPBT rounds from an ASC 10-round "pistol" magazine, it launches .30 cal bullets down-range out to 300m with impressive accuracy and authority. Perfect bear or cougar medicine!
The above modifications give me a near-perfect predator defence carbine for when I am out ATVing with the Wife. It fits in a pair of "Rhine Grips" right in front of the Handlebars where it is readily accessible from the driver's position. Fed a diet of supersonic 150 gr HPBT rounds from an ASC 10-round "pistol" magazine, it launches .30 cal bullets down-range out to 300m with impressive accuracy and authority. Perfect bear or cougar medicine!
Did Troy (or was it Rampart?) tell you why they wouldn't ship the upgrade parts? I find it very odd, since a Troy Industries representative offered to ship the PAR 308 Handguard/Pump Upgrade Kit to me here in Canada just a few days ago so long as I paid the additional shipping cost. Troy seems to have no issues with ITAR, etc, when it comes to model-specific parts for the PAR rifles,,,, Curious....
I've received pretty good support from Troy a few years ago, The parts for changing the foreend were not available in Canada at the time and I was more curious if it was something that if failed was covered under warranty and they sort of would not say that the part change was due to a problem with the original design. I prefer the original railled hand guard but that's not an option if you want to change to the "improved" design.
Are you going to change out the hand guard on your .308?
Are you going to change out the hand guard on your .308?
Yes, I am going to have to switch over to the "new" angled grip if I can't locate a replacement Picatinny Rail Section for my Handguard/Pump Assembly. The way that they countersunk the screw-holes in the Mounting Lugs, they left no meat at all securing the Lugs to the Picatinny Rail section. When I went to remove the Muzzle device the torque snapped 0ff the Picatinny Rail Section with the Vertical Foregrip mounted. The Rail sheared right off the lugs, which is clearly a design flaw with the original Handguard/Pump design. I don' see any reason why they had to countersink those lugs so deeply, creating such a weak point in the Pump Assembly. If you really came aboard the Pump Action during firing you'd snap a VFG right off (just like I did).
Things aren't looking good for a replacement part. Troy Industries has long since moved on to the new design with their marketed "Upgrade" kits for the PAR 308 priced at $97 USD. They don't maintain stocks of expired parts, so no supply of the Picatinny rails. I have also reached out to Rampart (the former Canadian Distributor) and Amchar (the current Canadian Troy Distributor) to see if they happen to have one of the Picatinny Rail sections laying about. Still waiting to hear back, but not overly optimistic....
The Pump still functions fine with 2 of the 3 Handguard/Pump "sliders" intact, and is good to go "as is". That said, I dislike having an aesthetically "unbalanced" rifle that is quite obviously missing parts on one side. So if I cannot miraculously locate a replacement Picatinny Rail section I will have to upgrade to the new Angled Handguard with its contoured Grip Section that you cannot mount a Vertical Foregrip to. Disappointing, but I will get over it.....
Here's what I'm talking about. The while area around the base of each Lug is where the thin aluminum sheared off around the countersink holes:
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Bummer. I wonder if you could get it repaired by countersinking a new lug deeper into the rail and welding it?
You should try a wanted to buy post, surely there are some lying around in parts drawers of people that have replaced the fore end.
You should try a wanted to buy post, surely there are some lying around in parts drawers of people that have replaced the fore end.
Thanks Meroh. Will take those points into consideration. I also tried a friends BCL Bison today. That was quite nice.
Cheers
Moe
The PAR is very light tight and slender. will quickly remind you how piggy the 180s are. I struggle with muzzle control when racking and it's difficult to bench rest with the slide in the way.
I dreamt a design where in place of a safety/bolt release you had a thumb operated bolt lever to cycle rounds with less range of motion and greater speed.
I dreamt a design where in place of a safety/bolt release you had a thumb operated bolt lever to cycle rounds with less range of motion and greater speed.
Gen 1 PARs had fluted chambers. Not any more and not for a long while. The real stinker though is the bolt/pump doesn't lock up like on a pump shotgun when a round is chambered (I forget the technical term). Hearing just a click on pulling a trigger, "light primer strikes" are not uncommon. Need a well-developed technique to mitigate the issue.
I have no such issues with my PAR in .300 Blk. It is equipped with a TriggerTech casette-style Trigger Pack. I can't recall ever having experienced a stoppage for any reason with that rifle.
Unfortunately, I cannot speak to the PAR 308 as I have not yet had a chance to get to the range. I will report as soon as I do...
