So long Browning Hi Power...

You here a lot about them not standing up all that well to hot ammo, although many militaries presumably ran them with hot SMG fodder.

Is durability only really an issue with the Browning spec'ed guns, or is it intrinsic to the design?
 
Yes but is that the gun or those specific gun's age and wear?

More than likely the age and wear. I was just pointing out that saying the only people who talk them down who have no experience with them, isn't a very accurate characterization. Particularly when just a couple posts later was a Forces member talking about issues they have with them.
 
The issued guns still run just fine in talented hands at NSCC/CAFSAC every year. In 2016 a few of the top ten overall were shooting issued HP’s. Finding reliable magazines is always a hassle. Most of the guys complaining haven’t put more than 100rds through one and it’s easier to blame equipment than admit you’re no good at it.
 
I love shooting both my HPs one 0T Inglis an one Belgium
In fact i shoot them in CQB more than I do my 1911s anymore
An the plastic pistols I leave for shooters that have theirs go down
Nothin better than true steel n wood
Buckaroo
 
No gun will not function reliably with poor mags, an issue with HP magazines. When I was shooting mine in IPSC, I had several mags that had to be scrapped after repeatedly being dropped with rds remaining when mandatory mag changes were required. This forces the top rd to be forced through the mag lips in a way they were not intended. Any one who has ever dropped a mag on a hard surface knows what I'm talking about.

I was gifted with a whack of Inglis HP parts by a retired armourer only to find out that they were useless on my commercial Brownings, except for a die that reformed the mag lips. You put the mag into the die and hit the base with a mallet. It reformed the lips but the 'fix' didn't last long.

The quality of the mags had a great bearing on the trigger pull due to the design function of the mag disconnector. If the mag surface was not slick, it caused friction. The degree of friction varied from mag to mag.

As for Canadian SMG ammo being loaded "hot", that is a myth. When the means of establishing if loads were "Major" or "Minor" was the Jeff Cooper "Power Pendulum" (impact plate), Cdn 9mm ball barely made the cut. Cooper himself chronoed some at his "Gunsite" academy and pronounced it on the "cool'' side.


You here a lot about them not standing up all that well to hot ammo, although many militaries presumably ran them with hot SMG fodder.

Is durability only really an issue with the Browning spec'ed guns, or is it intrinsic to the design?
 
No gun will not function reliably with poor mags, an issue with HP magazines. When I was shooting mine in IPSC, I had several mags that had to be scrapped after repeatedly being dropped with rds remaining when mandatory mag changes were required. This forces the top rd to be forced through the mag lips in a way they were not intended. Any one who has ever dropped a mag on a hard surface knows what I'm talking about.

I was gifted with a whack of Inglis HP parts by a retired armourer only to find out that they were useless on my commercial Brownings, except for a die that reformed the mag lips. You put the mag into the die and hit the base with a mallet. It reformed the lips but the 'fix' didn't last long.

The quality of the mags had a great bearing on the trigger pull due to the design function of the mag disconnector. If the mag surface was not slick, it caused friction. The degree of friction varied from mag to mag.

As for Canadian SMG ammo being loaded "hot", that is a myth. When the means of establishing if loads were "Major" or "Minor" was the Jeff Cooper "Power Pendulum" (impact plate), Cdn 9mm ball barely made the cut. Cooper himself chronoed some at his "Gunsite" academy and pronounced it on the "cool'' side.

If Canadian military ball isn't hot, then commercial +P, +P+ and certain foreign military ammo certainly is, and that seems to be where the issue is.
 
Like most semi-autos, the Hi Power needs a firm grip in order to function. A limp wrist grip will almost certainly cause one to gibble. Couple that with the previously stated issues and you have a potential problem.

Most of the military types I knew were sh!t scared of shooting a handgun as they knew they were going to do miserably. Especially during the era when we were not provided ear protection and if you wore your own, your were thought to be pussified. REAL men happily went deaf! I recall cradling a 9mm over my left arm and using a mirror to aim. Why? Because I could and it was fun. I saw a film (Mondo Canne) where Mexican police were doing it, shooting targets held by prisoners and others in a head mounted gadget. After a few rds, it wasn't as loud any more. Your left ear was battered into submission.

Most of the older Infantrymen and Gunners I knew had suffered much hearing loss, so I wasn't alone. We used to wonder why the airforce guys working around jet engines got hearing protection and we didn't.


I got a healthy cash payout and $5000 worth of high tech ear wigs for my hearing problem, stemming from all the shooting I did over 12 years service.
 
Love my BHP Mkiii 9mm:

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