so what with all the cheap ar15,s

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Davy Crockett said:
Why would range use only require a higher quality gun?

If you ask me the fact that most guys just punch holes in paper from the bench means quality isn't much of a factor.

Besides, once you add up all the costs shooting is expensive enough as it is, a guy can buy a lot of ammo for the difference in cost between a Noveske and a Norinco.
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Because what Limited time and use most of us have , why not have a good time and not injoy the finer things in life while having fun.

no one says is my say off and its been a long hard week at work, i want to take the lady our for dinner, lets go to Mc D.
 
Leibermuster said:
Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.
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You're an a$$hole. Anyone that can be vetted through the background checks, BS R-PAL licensing scheme, and join an approved gun club has every right as you do to participate in the sport. You're discriminating against fellow gun owners because they can't afford the "Gucci Gear"?

I own (2) Colts and don't consider myself any better than a guy who scraped and saved so that he could buy a Norinco. In fact, I'd probably be inclined to think that he would likely appreciate and respect the sport because he had to make financial sacrifices just to get into the game, where others would by an AR as a fleet of fancy or spontanaiety.

Sometimes, you gear queers make me sick. If you truly believe this, go take a long hard suck on your Camelback...:D
 
Leibermuster said:
Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.
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I knew the snob factor was amplified in the black rifle forum, but you, sir, just buried the needle.
 
heckler said:
Forgot to add that not everybody is as serious about shooting sports as others
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Now that i understand, but im talking about gunutz , not the guy at works that likes guns and would come out and shoot a little if when he has time maybe sort off.
We all know people like that.
Im like that with fishing.
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Leibermuster said:
Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.
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WOW! :popCorn:
 
badboybeeson said:
Because what Limited time and use most of us have , why not have a good time and not injoy the finer things in life while having fun.

no one says is my say off and its been a long hard week at work, i want to take the lady our for dinner, lets go to Mc D.
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What's wrong Simon? The lower end of the market guys cutting into your income?
 
canuck98k said:
Because they can only be used at the range?

If you could actually hunt with them, perhaps people would put more into them. It's not like they have to hold up to a lot of abuse at the range.

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See i dont buy that line
I get out hunting 3-4 times a year if im lucky.
I get to the range 60-75 times a year
 
This thread will be going south! :p

My observation is that some people aren't familiar with AR-15s.They want to try them out, not sure if they'll like them, so they go with something relatively affordable. If they do like them, they tend to upgrade to better models in the end.

And no, they are not rampage-prone either. :HR:
 
2bad4u2 said:
What's wrong Simon? The lower end of the market guys cutting into your income?
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LOL!!!
No not even a little bit, our products are world class, being offered at a fair price , no one need convincing to buy S&J brand products.
Im just simply asking, as i want to understand why people driving 50k cars living in a 400k house wearing $40 t shirts that call themselfs gunutz are buying the largest amount of cheap firearms products.
I understand the the shooters that have little to no money, and i understand the ones that this may not be there main hobby.
But why buy the cheap stuff, is it not better to ride in style then to ride at the back of the short bus??
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i still care about top quality. I try to buy the best I can afford.

Most people are cheap, want cheap, want quality. U get what you pay for.
 
badboybeeson said:
See i dont buy that line
I get out hunting 3-4 times a year if im lucky.
I get to the range 60-75 times a year
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I'll only speak for myself, but I tend not to put my range guns through as much abuse as my hunting gear. I bought a cheap AR and have cheap lego on it because my life does not depend on it. I can see buying top gear for combat, but at the range cheap will do. (for me)

Sure it depends on what kind of shooting one does, but I'd wager the cheap AR crowd would not have one at all if there were no starter options.


Either that or I'm poor and looking for a rampage gun. :p
 
Nomination for stupidest post of the year.

Leibermuster said:
Although i agree, there is one problem with the cheaper AR crowd or black rifle community attracting lower income people into the sport, and that is what kind of people are we bringing into the sport that could prove to be more of a liability to us. I have noticed sometimes the types or personality you don't want into the AR(pistol) or firearm world are immediately turned of by the price & time, this actually is a deterrent against the retard class of people.

Someone who is spending more money on certain types of AR or black-rifle is far less likely to commit a crime with them. Who would spend all that money and go on a rampage so to speak? When there is a shooting or someone does go nuts i prefer it to be a non-restricted cheap old school firearm then a tricked out AR. Obviously i don't want this to ever happen, but the Anti-gun wackos would have a field day with this.
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Tom_Swift said:
But why do people have multiple rifles then stick crap like NcStar and UTG on them and knock off chicom and airsoft parts. There seems to be a far greater quantity than quality mentality in the Canadian black rifle community. Why is this???
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Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.

I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a ####ty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.

As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.d:h:

I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.

This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.

We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.
 
badboybeeson said:
LOL!!!
No not even a little bit, our products are world class, being offered at a fair price , no one need convincing to buy S&J brand products.
Im just simply asking, as i want to understand why people driving 50k cars living in a 400k house wearing $40 t shirts that call themselfs gunutz are buying the largest amount of cheap firearms products.
I understand the the shooters that have little to no money, and i understand the ones that this may not be there main hobby.
But why buy the cheap stuff, is it not better to ride in style then to ride at the back of the short bus??
bbb
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The majority of Gunnutz are cheap.....most can't even spend the equivalent of a few boxes of ammo to join the NFA and CSSA.

Is there a big difference in style between an NEA for $1000 and what ever AR costs $2000?
 
I buy a cheep AR because it can only be used at the range. I spend most of my money on rifles I can use where I choose. If you could shoot a AR anywhere I would have the best money could buy but to me $1000 almost seems like too much for somthing only good for punching paper in CFO approved places.
 
saskgunowner101 said:
No kidding.........
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Hardly guys it's not being a snob at all..I have noticed this much at the range for the past few years, I have trained and brought a lot of people into the sport and have seen the trend enough. I fully realize there are a lot of people that buy Norcs that are just as responsible as a person who buys an expensive AR, if not more. But the truth is, the days of the expensive AR did have the advantages I mentioned above.
 
Can-down said:
The majority of Gunnutz are cheap.....most can't even spend the equivalent of a few boxes of ammo to join the NFA and CSSA.

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And if you are in that category, then you are the problem....

Saying I'm cheap doesn't change the facts or benefits the community at all, it doesn't lower the price of AR's either, the people that are doers and spent the time and the big bucks are the people that have made you the cheap AR's available.

Personally I think they should have spent there time on the higher end clientele,but that is Canada I guess.
 
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