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Although that is true, you don't see Seals using Barn-spec AR's, SF units use HK,KAC,COLT CANADA for many reasons.
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so what with all the cheap ar15,s
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Although that is true, you don't see Seals using Barn-spec AR's, SF units use HK,KAC,COLT CANADA for many reasons.
Trying to tell my your Norinco is just as good or better than a Daniel Defense Mk18 is like saying there is no difference between a ferrari and a pontiac fiero in a body kit.
Apparently the consensus here is there isn't a difference between a Norinco and Colt it's just snobs buy Colts maybe the CF should be armed with Norincos.
What's more to be said is that so many shooters are willing to buy a Norinco to save what amounts to a couple hundred bucks disregard all ethical concerns.
Apparently the consensus here is there isn't a difference between a Norinco and Colt it's just snobs buy Colts maybe the CF should be armed with Norincos.
What's more to be said is that so many shooters are willing to buy a Norinco to save what amounts to a couple hundred bucks disregard all ethical concerns.
A couple of things to remember a) that poor person buying a cheap NEA or Norc is still probably spending a higher percentage of his income than the "proper" Ar shooter and his high end gun. b) the high priced AR shooter absolutely needs the NEA or Norinco to be crap in order to justify the expense.
To a degree I totally get what you are saying,however quality is in the eye of the beholder/user. If your chosen tool for a specific job(lets say a 1/2" drive torque wrench from princess auto) does what you need it to do once a week.... great.
If you are useing that tool everyday and putting more than occassional use demands on it...it likely will not last or stand-up be as comfortable or as accurate as (Snap-on or Mac) to use as the cheaper one. I have had both and accuracy was not there in the cheaper version for long(it failed)
Your absolutly right but... same special forces shooter would likely not put his life on the line given the choice of tools between a Norinco and H&K 416. Clearly all of us if given the choice with no financial commitment would likely choose the H&K. Why??? simply because its proven name/ service record.
Don't get me wrong,I have seen some Norincos function flawlessly and accurate to boot. I have also worked on many and not much about them is to industry middle of the road spec. Troll through the black rifle forum and at least half of the threads start with I have a Norinco and:
"Need help"
" why can't I get my front site base off"
"why does the gas port not line up with my new gas block"
"I tried to put my KAC upper on my Norc. lower and pins don't line up"
"My bolt carrier broke and new one doesn't fit"
" I replaced my LPK with brand XX and pins will not go in or pins fall out when I tip rifle over"
" I changed my handgaurd to a FF tube and the new barrel nut will not thread on"
"why can't I get my new buffer tube to thread in"
"My rifle won't cycle"
etc...etc...its almost endless
They are a critter that is of their own spec. If you buy it shoot the heck out of it and don't "F" with them they will serve you fine. I am not a Norinco hater in fact I believe they make a real gem in the rough 1911,great SKS,AK etc.. all great guns but I have personally seen to much wrong with the AR IMO to be an option for me.
I would sooner see more people get one and shoot it though than not shoot at all.
It boils down to priority, need and your expectations.
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Since when did you become an opperator? Or anyone else on this site save for a select few?
By using them to bolster your feeble argument you taint their professionalism and all that they do. It's clear that professional duty weapons have to have 100% reliability under adverse conditions. Your average every day range gun? Not so much. I find it laughable that you and others like you seem to equate yourself to the level of operator by simply buying your way into the game and look down on others because of it.
Whatever makes you feel good, I guess.
Here's a little something for you. It's a scene from an old Robin Williams movie called "The Survivors". I think you should take time out of your busy schedule to watch it. It might give you a moment of pause so that you can internalize and reflect upon yourself.
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I still want a definition of what a cheap AR is.
The only 3 I can think of that are super cheap new complete packages of recent are CORE15, NEA and NORC.
So besides Norinco, I'd like an expert example how an NEA or CORE15 is cheap criminal junk.
The only 3 I can think of that are super cheap new complete packages of recent are CORE15, NEA and NORC.
So besides Norinco, I'd like an expert example how an NEA or CORE15 is cheap criminal junk.
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Because you have a lower IQ population entering the firearms community, they want instant satisfaction out of the gates and don't want to pay for it.
I would never buy a Norinco, I'm sorry but there garbage, the ones I have seen would not hold up and are not all in consistent spec from one Norc to another Norc. If that is all you can afford then I understand, but most people I have seen should have just saved for the decent AR like a bushmaster for example, or the prices at Questar in regards to LMT's are perfect. Most people I have seen rather buy a tone of guns and they did or won't cut down on there booze or cigarettes intake. I thought about getting a s**tty AR like a Norc for taking guest to the range, and decided against it. Forget that liability, the thing might explode in my hands.
As for people that are putting Airsoft parts on there AR's????? this just shows a total lack of responsibilities and retardation at the tenth degree.
I have herd of people selling there Roni kits and buying airsoft ones for there glocks, then using them and having them fail and blaming it on the installer or purchaser."saying it had that catastrophic failure because you never installed it properly" WTF Talk about retarded, you never installed a replica toy properly on your Glock and you think that was the first problem...give me a break...The reasoning of well it's a toy that was never built to withstand the pressure or heat tranfer to cheap plastic of firing live rds doesn't enter there minds, the only thing that does, is well "Why is it not working", talk about stupidity.
This type of personality or attitude is scrapping the bottom of the barrel in my humble opinion, and people like this could very easily give the anti-gun crowd some much needed ammo.
We have to attract smart, intelligent/responsible, and people of good character. Not the Village idiot, because that is a total recipe for disasters.
Not to nitpick.....but how high of an "IQ" is acceptable by your standards? And on that note, how high of an IQ does it require to know that "There", "Their" and "They're" or NOT interchangable?
My god man, you had three choices and chose the ONE spelling that doesn't fit anywhere in your entire post!
You sure you're qualified to own an AR? You know....IQ being a requirement and all........
Sorry again. You FAIL! I don't own a Norinco and probably never will. Having said that, I certainly wouldn't look down on others who do. For many, it's a great opportunity to get into an area of the sport that they may not have had the financial means to do otherwise.
The fact that you fail to see that is not as much surprising as it is sad. You're elitest attitude serves only to divide our community between the haves and the have nots. You've given yourself enough rope here to swing from the internet gallows a 1,000 times over.
You only further isolate yourself by failing to admit you're wrong. There's a lot of good experienced guys on here who have not stooped to your level to simply justify what they own. Why can't you?
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WOW, crazy thread...
You buy what you can afford or what you like, nobody should look down on you for what you decide to spend your money on, period.
The sudden influx of AR15 availability in Canada has only strengthened our numbers, that is the most important thing here. We're getting more shooters involved in the Black Rifle segment with brands like Norinco, CORE, and NEA. This is the greatest thing I have seen in the firearms community since I joined... I say, f**king rights! The more black rifle guys and gals the better!
Personally, about 3 years ago I decided quality over quantity, but that was based on my personal situation, no kids, no crazy debt, so why not. Shooting and handling the finer firearms available today is my main hobby in life, so the priority is higher. I like the high end stuff, I see the difference in the details and have developed a greater appreciation for the finer things.
The crap shoot goes both ways, guys with high end guns often get labeled as posers, safe queens, or elitests... It's all internet assumptions that drive the wedge even further. We shouldn't place judgement on someone for what they buy, that goes both ways.
Theres so much hate for what people buy or do nowadays. People need to learn to shut the f**k up and mind there own business, "don't worry about what I'm doing, focus on yourself"
Just my 5 cents worth
You buy what you can afford or what you like, nobody should look down on you for what you decide to spend your money on, period.
The sudden influx of AR15 availability in Canada has only strengthened our numbers, that is the most important thing here. We're getting more shooters involved in the Black Rifle segment with brands like Norinco, CORE, and NEA. This is the greatest thing I have seen in the firearms community since I joined... I say, f**king rights! The more black rifle guys and gals the better!
Personally, about 3 years ago I decided quality over quantity, but that was based on my personal situation, no kids, no crazy debt, so why not. Shooting and handling the finer firearms available today is my main hobby in life, so the priority is higher. I like the high end stuff, I see the difference in the details and have developed a greater appreciation for the finer things.
The crap shoot goes both ways, guys with high end guns often get labeled as posers, safe queens, or elitests... It's all internet assumptions that drive the wedge even further. We shouldn't place judgement on someone for what they buy, that goes both ways.
Theres so much hate for what people buy or do nowadays. People need to learn to shut the f**k up and mind there own business, "don't worry about what I'm doing, focus on yourself"
Just my 5 cents worth
And how many thousands of dollars were spent to upgrade that Norc again before it was used in said CQB matches? were the guts all replaced in that NORC.
Also perhaps that might have to do with the 5/10rd mag capacity, I would love to see how so many of these Norcs would hold up with 20rd or god for bid 30rd mags. They won't last....I rest my case...
What I have put in my posts are not elitist statements, but the maturity the Norc crowd seems to be bringing here just shows it...Enjoy putting plastic Airsoft parts on the Norinco's and stay 20 feet away from me on the range with your time bomb that is ready to blow.
I'm done with the NORC-Nazis and this thread.
Good thing I'm not a mod as I would give you a break from CGN for a while, you clearly need it.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with lower priced items; I'm simply putting forward the suggestion that price in of itself does not necessarily denote value (this is really in the eye of the beholder). And I also think the reverse is also true with respect to high-price items (the widespread 'wailing and gnashing of teeth', as you put it.
)If you take a NEA or Norc M4 and compare it to something like HK, KAC, LWRC or Noveske - there is a vast difference in price as there also is in terms of quality, durability and reliability (generalizing without getting into specifics).
If the Norc M4 truly offered such great value beyond an attractive entry-level price, there would be no desire to so extensively modify or upgrade it - and in fact, I would actually argue that the ability to do so through its lower price is probably its greatest appeal.
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I couldn't agree more.
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