So where are we now?

[scout_289]

Our past fate as gun owners and our future of same is writ large on the graph on the second page of this document.

https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/as-sa/98-310-x/98-310-x2011003_2-eng.pdf

 

[scout_289]

I think we are in a stronger position then most of us think. Considering the tenuous grip that the Liberals have on the government and how radially divided the country is presently; any strongarm tactics pushed by the liberals regarding gun seizures will likely blow up in their faces.
Massive noncompliance mixed with a divided country will plunge Canada into legal choas.

Yes, we could take advantage of that if it happens. And our political activism should be locked and loaded to take advantage of the disarray if it happens.

But we have no control of which way the worm turns and I'm not a gambler that sits idly by and lets fate determine my fate. Therefore I am uncomfortable sitting when we do not have any kind of Plan B if this doesn't happen.

Not to put you personally on the spot, but what new and different tactic should we launch into if the Liberals show surprising strength over the next four years and we are being decimated? Remember that we threw everything that we had at them this last go around and in spite of the bravado they had their way with us.

 

[scout_289]

I think your assessment is more or less correct. Canada has moved to the left somewhat on social issues, and the environment. Unfortunately, the CPC is out of step and will have to accept the reality that it needs to rebrand itself if it is to reclaim government.

The issue for the conservatives has always been trying to retain support of the more right learning elements. It is not going to be an easy challenge, especially in time for the next election. I suspect that if Trudeau can manage to get a pipeline built, he may appease enough western voters to get elected with a majority, barring more colossal missteps.

Trudeau is the big concern. The anti-gun lobby has found a friend with Trudeau. If he was not at the head of the Liberal Party, our problems would be greatly reduced. Unfortunately, he is here for the next number of years. And I doubt he will listen to reason. He simply hates gun owners, notably those who favour "assault rifles." He knows he will never get our vote, and is prepared to write us off in favour of securing votes in urban areas.

Where does this leave the pro-firearms agenda? I think that preserving the current rights and privileges of firearms owners will mean a massive education campaign in the major cities. People need to understand that indigenous peoples with just 5% of the population account for a third of gun violence ad that gangs account for the bulk of the rest. Taking guns from mainstream population will solve nothing. Money from buyback programs is best spent handling social issues facing indigenous people and getting tough on crime.

More than the antigun lobby has found a fuzzy bosom in the name of one JT.

I came across a discussion wherein the progressive movements overall, and that is every special interest group with an axe to grind, is actually using our little country as a test bed to see how far we can be pushed on many issues and how fast they can do it.

We're guinean pigs or lab rats - whichever you prefer.

Like Jordan Peterson writes "If you think that strong men are dangerous, wait until you see how much damage a weak man can do".

We have a weak man in charge so buckle your seat belt.

 

[JesperA]

Not the most glamorous of options, but has anyone else donated to the CPC post election? Likely our only chance of getting out of this, is the government falling very quickly and a new election gets called. I realize it’s unlikely to happen, but the more prepared the cons are, the more likely they are to pull the plug on JT if the opportunity arises.

With the libs locking up TO, my best guess is nothing will deter them from bringing in the ban.

 

[scout_289]

I hope that the libs will wake up and give up this whole gun bans crap, that would be nice. I doubt that will happen..so where are we? We are pretty much at a crossroads, each one of us to decide how they want to proceed, give up your guns when the doorbell rings...or so NO and face the music. CGN doesnt have the answer...we all know that.

Please don't give up Murph, the choice is not a binary one.

Canadians and especially us are innovative problem solvers. Look for other new avenues to exploit the Libs weaknesses. Brainstorm it, whatever. We'll find a solution and if we do we can set an example for the rest of the developed world.

It doesn't have to be the idea of doing good to get good. Many people don't like that because it's not instant pudding and will take time. But there may be other ways and if we work together, even loosely, we'll find them.

Me, I neither want to give up a lifetime of guns nor do I want to go to jail for a paper crime.

 

[scout_289]

Not the most glamorous of options, but has anyone else donated to the CPC post election? Likely our only chance of getting out of this, is the government falling very quickly and a new election gets called. I realize it’s unlikely to happen, but the more prepared the cons are, the more likely they are to pull the plug on JT if the opportunity arises.

With the libs locking up TO, my best guess is nothing will deter them from bringing in the ban.

If the Libs don't hammer the guns they will lose their lock on the GTA so count on it.

Donate, sure. But instead of a few bucks here and there with each one sent "by an angry gun owner" I'd like to see a delegation put together a plan for a new and different approach, gather a collection $$$ from supporters of the ideas from within our community and with a bag of money make the donation conditional on making a presentation of the plan to the CPC hearts and minds, not to someone who just logs the donation.

Money talks / big money talks louder.

I dunno if there's a snag here with lobbying rules but for every rule there's a legal way around it ...........

 

[Bartok5]

We need to leverage Wexit and Western alienation to counter the Lieberal push for a mass ban on semi-automatic firearms.

 

[Sylvertiger]

I am not sure why firearms owners don't do a march or gathering in show of protest -otherwise the topic of firearms rights will always remain taboo. It is a shame that this is considered a "dirty topic" or stance.

An example would be Greta with her march on climate change; why does her voice deserve to be heard? Meanwhile, firearm owners, who for the most part are a great group of people get treated like second class citizens.

 

[CdnCombatMedic]

We need to leverage Wexit and Western alienation to counter the Lieberal push for a mass ban on semi-automatic firearms.

So you mean a fanatical group to sway the masses, yeah that's going to work. Firearms owners need to distance themselves from that kind of crap.

 

[midnightpossum]

So you mean a fanatical group to sway the masses, yeah that's going to work. Firearms owners need to distance themselves from that kind of crap.

When a government creates division,you will have opposition.There are many things the left are doing, that I would consider fanatical.
My father grew up in France during Nazi occupation ... So I know from his, and my Grandparents experience how this is setup.So many stories, and how they ended up in Canada to be Free.
Personally I don't want to experience it,I would rather stay free, and not have to fight for it... That said, freedom will always need to be fought for.

 

[Ninja_En_Short]

I don't believe Canada moved more to the left, the liberal party, just like the Dems in the US, moved to far left to cater to the loud obnoxious minority and people on the right do not see the point in voting for a party that is not really on the right either so they don't come out, there's a reason Bernier was poling 49% in the leadership race.
Take a hint from the US 2016 election : the God Emperor may be divisive but he did motivate the troops.

What the CPC needs is to boot Sheer and get someone with actual charisma, not give an inch to the left and most important : actually be right wing.

 

[Aamershi]

We need to keep fighting.

If you live in a non-conservative riding call your new MP, congratulate on their recent win (even if it wasn't your choice) and segue into asking them to not support any further legislation that does not affect crime.

Write letters, visit offices. Do not go unheard but be polite.

I actually did that - the re-elected MP in the riding I live in is Liberal (won again with close to 75% of the votes in the riding). When I asked her position on how legislation/bans will not affect the criminals her exact response was "thats the issue, you gun owners are the issue by unsafe guns that kill people - you can just go out and get a gun" When I further asked her if she knew the laws on how to obtain a firearm she replied "i don't need to - I do what people who voted me into this office and they don't want guns in Canada" and walked away

I would love to hear how we can combat that ignorance

 

[45ACPKING]

I would love to hear how we can combat that ignorance

by separating from "their" canada
the time or reasoning with them is over

 

[ALJ99]

I actually did that - the re-elected MP in the riding I live in is Liberal (won again with close to 75% of the votes in the riding). When I asked her position on how legislation/bans will not affect the criminals her exact response was "thats the issue, you gun owners are the issue by unsafe guns that kill people - you can just go out and get a gun" When I further asked her if she knew the laws on how to obtain a firearm she replied "i don't need to - I do what people who voted me into this office and they don't want guns in Canada" and walked away

I would love to hear how we can combat that ignorance

Unfortunately you can’t combat ignorance if people don’t believe themselves to be ignorant!
She’s not interested in facts, she’s interested in the “ Story “ and she’s not about to let “ Facts “ get in the way !

If there's a way to break through this, I certainly would love to know it !

Cheers

 

[45ACPKING]

I am not sure why firearms owners don't do a march or gathering in show of protest -otherwise the topic of firearms rights will always remain taboo. It is a shame that this is considered a "dirty topic" or stance.

An example would be Greta with her march on climate change; why does her voice deserve to be heard? Meanwhile, firearm owners, who for the most part are a great group of people get treated like second class citizens.

well..... all those donations to our gun orgs over the years and they refuse to unite and do exactly what you suggest. A wide spread and sustained media campaign with advertisements to join local gun clubs, learn and get licensed for hunting, learn and participate in competitive shooting..... and most of all blurbs on firearms education. We see none of these things in the media so the antigun bullsh*te has been left unanswered and the masses have only been fed one flavor of koolaid.
The fact Canadian firearms owners do not have an active and sustained presence in mainstream television adds is on our many fractured orgs who refuse to unite as one.

 

[scout_289]

I am not sure why firearms owners don't do a march or gathering in show of protest -otherwise the topic of firearms rights will always remain taboo. It is a shame that this is considered a "dirty topic" or stance.

An example would be Greta with her march on climate change; why does her voice deserve to be heard? Meanwhile, firearm owners, who for the most part are a great group of people get treated like second class citizens.

Been there / done that - https://www.producer.com/1998/09/antigun-control-movement-plans-parliament-hill-rally/

20,000 showed up on The Hill on their own dime.

Police snipers on rooftops.

Warped and spun media coverage.

The old timers will fill you in on the details.

Would you get 20,000 people in a march today on relatively short notice? It took Greta a year of sitting alone with her sign before she even got noticed. Any volunteers for that duty?

Or how about the truckers that recently went to Ottawa demanding action for the oil patch and got derailed by the yellow vests (plants?).

Marches could come at the right time, but you need a large group of committed people and an audience. We have neither.

 

[scout_289]

I actually did that - the re-elected MP in the riding I live in is Liberal (won again with close to 75% of the votes in the riding). When I asked her position on how legislation/bans will not affect the criminals her exact response was "thats the issue, you gun owners are the issue by unsafe guns that kill people - you can just go out and get a gun" When I further asked her if she knew the laws on how to obtain a firearm she replied "i don't need to - I do what people who voted me into this office and they don't want guns in Canada" and walked away

I would love to hear how we can combat that ignorance

Easy peasy.

Roll up our sleeves, find high profile NGO's and good causes that are aimed right at the root causes of suicide and domestic violence and the next time she starts to walk away you can say "Gun owners last year contributed $500,000 and 65,000 volunteer hours to support CMHA, food banks and battered women' shelters in the interest of addressing root causes of crime. Why isn't your government doing likewise instead of pandering to voter emotion?"

 

[scout_289]

Unfortunately you can’t combat ignorance if people don’t believe themselves to be ignorant!
She’s not interested in facts, she’s interested in the “ Story “ and she’s not about to let “ Facts “ get in the way !

If there's a way to break through this, I certainly would love to know it !

Cheers

See post 137 for one suggestion.

 

[scout_289]

So you mean a fanatical group to sway the masses, yeah that's going to work. Firearms owners need to distance themselves from that kind of crap.

You are correct. The message of despair carried to Ottawa from Alberta by the truck convoy got totally derailed by a bunch of fanatical, freeloading yellow vests.

 

[anton520b]

I actually did that - the re-elected MP in the riding I live in is Liberal (won again with close to 75% of the votes in the riding). When I asked her position on how legislation/bans will not affect the criminals her exact response was "thats the issue, you gun owners are the issue by unsafe guns that kill people - you can just go out and get a gun" When I further asked her if she knew the laws on how to obtain a firearm she replied "i don't need to - I do what people who voted me into this office and they don't want guns in Canada" and walked away

I would love to hear how we can combat that ignorance

This is exactly "the Bill Blair" type of ignorant person who refuses to even consider what other people have to say. You could bring best people with best speaking skills to talk to them it won't help, their communist mind is dead on focused on achieving their agenda. Hack, even if Albert Einstein spoke to them it would be impossible to penetrate their wall of ignorance.
Stalin's regime was very similar to modern communist/marxists/socialist/liberals agenda which only differs by nicer wrapping.
There is really no intelligent communication with leftists like your MP.
To fight her we must fight JT by creating more headaches for his tyrannical rule, like WEXIT movement, join the movement even if you believe that Canada should never separate, contribute in all legal ways to create an environment of disapproval for JT's government! Once his minority government shatters, all liberal MP's will go down with the sinking ship.
Canada has never been more divided since it's foundations were laid!! Liberals succeeded in dividing Canada to historical proportions, and we simply want to support the side that gives most headaches to the communist government.
However, never forget that we always want to remain peaceful group. No violence! No need for it in 21st century and in modern civilized society. Liberals won't attack us with their goon teams to confiscate our firearms. Those goon teams were created to fight armed criminals who threaten public safety and terrorists. But if they ever do go after law abiding citizens who are hard working fathers and mothers, that would change the sentiment of law abiding citizens forever.

Just look whats happening in NZ! Some weak minded cowardice have handed their listed firearms, but majority had decided to become paper criminals and non-comply to unjust and downright ridiculous laws.

With 2 years grace period we should all sit back and relax, keep enjoying our sport shooting and hunting, many things could happen or change within 2 years. Talk to your shooting friends at local range, tell them to buy a stripped AR lower as an act of solidarity with the rest of community.