So which 45 whould I get?

To answer the OP. If it was my money, I would sell the Norc, add a little cash to buy a DW LASD Specialist. They are every bit as good as the Valor at nearly half the price. In fact they are listed for the same MSRP on the DW website. Out of the higher end 1911's available right now, these are probably the best bang for the buck, no pun intended.

I owned both Valor and VBOB in Duty finish and paid $2300/each back in 2010. They are now selling for ~$3400+. Again, ~$2k for the LASD version which is unique and uncommon is a steal.
 
If the idea of a CZ Shadow, in .45 appeals to you, as has already been suggested, I would take a serious look at the CZ97B. All steel, solid and tight, decent trigger and groups as well, or better than anything else (in .45) in or close to it's price range - around $1000 - give or take. I paid a bit more for mine, as I wanted a "blued" one. The standard finish ones are a bit less expensive.
 
Of course the Norc is gonna go after I buy the new gun.

Okie, so I've decided it's gonna be a 1911. I prefer steel too much to go with anything plastic for an expensive gun. I feel like it's OK to pay 500-700 for a plastic gun, but I'm not throwing >1000$ on a "meh" gun. The CZ97B seems like a good option, but I would always end up comparing it with the shadows, and the 5# trigger of the 97 would never come out ahead of the 2.2# of my shadows. If there was a pre-B 97 maybe that would be better, but it doesn't exists so.

So for all of you who are fans of 1911, first question is what's the difference between an external and internal extractor? I see the extractor on the S&W 1911 are different, what's up with that? Good or bad?
 
Arms East has Colt comp ,9 or 45 , 70 series for $1250.
Or you could call Mike at Durham outdoors and see if your Norc has any trade value.

I traded my Glock, towards SA 1911 and got a very fair trade value.
Quick and easy.
 
Arms East has Colt comp ,9 or 45 , 70 series for $1250.
Or you could call Mike at Durham outdoors and see if your Norc has any trade value.

I traded my Glock, towards SA 1911 and got a very fair trade value.
Quick and easy.

Usually you get more by selling on the EE or locally. Whenever I sell a gun, I post on EE and at my local range. Unlike about 90% of sellers on EE, I'm not trying to sell used for more than new, so my stuff goes quickly.

Talking about the EE, maybe I should stalk the pistol EE section to find if something nice comes up.
 
Usually you get more by selling on the EE or locally. Whenever I sell a gun, I post on EE and at my local range. Unlike about 90% of sellers on EE, I'm not trying to sell used for more than new, so my stuff goes quickly.

Talking about the EE, maybe I should stalk the pistol EE section to find if something nice comes up.
I got a fair price for my Glock, many on the EE for about the same.
It’s worth a look.
 
i'm with Cobra and Bartok, if I were to get any 45 it would be an HK 45.



The HK45 Full-Size would be my recommendation. Accurate, comfortable in the hand and soft-shooting thanks to its recoil-reduction operating spring system. I also own several 1911A1s and an FNH FNX Tactical .45. The HK is my "go to" .45 ACP handgun just about every single time. The price is right around $1000 CAD new, and $750 in exceĺlent used condition. There is no arguing with HK quality or longevity....


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Can I ask what is so great about the Dan Wesson? They really cost a lot, and I don't know anyone who has one so I can't test it. No LGS has them in store either.

I just went to my LGS and tried a S&W performance center. The trigger is nniiiiiiiice. I tried a few other brands too (SIG, Remington, others I can't remember) and the S&W blows all of them away. It was a little less expensive than the DW, but not that much.
 
Can I ask what is so great about the Dan Wesson? They really cost a lot, and I don't know anyone who has one so I can't test it. No LGS has them in store either.

I have a Pointman 7 - nice gun. 70 series with match barrel and custom parts. Good shooter. Adequate trigger, good adjustable rear sights.
Retail was around $1770 (plus tax) a couple years ago in Canada so just under 2k with tax in BC.

Expensive? well not really in the 'custom' market these days. CZ owns DW but the quality is still good.

I would put it well below my Ed Brown and Wilson Combat 1911's.

For your price point look at Ruger, Springfield.
The new Colt Competition Series looks pretty good- If Arms East can get you a blued 70 series for $1225 I think you'd be happy with it.. if you have to pay full $1450 retail, that's a bit high to me.
https://www.armseast.ca/handguns_pi...0_competition_govt_pistol_5_.45acp_8rnd_blue/
 
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Walther PPQ, S&W M&P or CZ 97B in .45acp or a Dlask 1911. The latter would be my first choice in a reasonably priced 1911. Joe knows 1911's.

Take Care

Bob
 
I have a SW1911 and HK45. I rarely shoot the 1911 anymore. HK45 is so nice to shoot. Not getting rid of the 1911 as it's still one of my favorite pistols . Just not as nice as the Hk.
 
Vinny,

I wouldn’t worry too much about internal vs external extractor. In theory the external extractor should be more reliable and more durable, however in practice the differences are negligible to non-existent. The internal extractor is true 1911 spec and like everything else on the gun has pretty much been developed to perfection. Both will do the job. The biggest advantage to internal is parts are available from multiple suppliers, however will need to be properly fit and tuned. External is easier to replace but you’ll be dependent on company spares. Purists detest external extractors but they’re a fickle bunch and not worth worrying about.

For the money the DW is hard to beat as an all-around package. It’s built true to spec so the aftermarket is wide open, materials are all high quality, and the build tolerances are tight. Add one of the best finishes going and it’s a very nice package. My only gripes with most of their guns are the sights, but that is very personal and discipline dependent. I’ve had experience with the Valor and it gave up very little to my Ed Brown Executive performance-wise. Small touches, like edge bevelling, were better on the Brown but most of the differences were just preference: sights, checkering density, trigger weights and reach. I love how clean most DW’s are aesthetically.

The S&W PC-1911 is also a very nice gun, though a bit too stylized for my liking with the slide cuts. The triggers on the PC guns are great, as are the sights, and they are as accurate as anything else out there if you get a good one. One issue with the S&W is they have made many changes to the original spec, so aftermarket support is much more limited. They also use MIM small parts if you care about such things. I’ve posted my views on that before so won’t beat a dead horse here; suffice to say people who “hate” MIM rarely have engineering degrees and spend too much time online. The last issue I’ll raise is S&W quality control. Three shooters at my range shoot 5” PC1911’s and two of the three had to send their guns back for warranty. One gun was fixed (extractor defect) and the other was replaced outright (slide out of spec). Support they received was excellent and all three guns on the line are now dead-nuts accurate and reliable, but 33% initially correct concerns me. I’d want to very closely inspect before buying a S&W.

Both guns have the potential to be lifetime guns. Look for the features and style you want. Good luck.
 
Lots of good suggestions in this thread—here are my thoughts. Lots of guys have recommended the CZ97B—one thing to keep in mind is that the factory grips make the DA trigger reach very long—longer than any other handgun I've ever owned (including large ones like the Desert Eagle and H&K Mk23). Aftermarket slim grips help but it's still big. It's a great gun otherwise, and one of the best looking CZ pistols in my view. I wrote a review in this thread here when I owned mine.

I tried to like the HK45—three separate times I bought one and then sold it. As others have mentioned, it's very mild to shoot, accurate, reliable and with a comfortable grip. What killed it for me was that the grooves in the bottom of the trigger guard "bit" the bottom of my trigger finger under recoil. Not all shooters are affected—most are not I'd say so it likely has something to do with hand size or shape or grip.

I've got an FNX Tactical that I picked up mostly for its red-dot mounting feature. It's big, but manageable. It's been reliable and accurate for me—especially at longer distances. I wrote a review of mine here.
 
Nice gun at a great price; last time I looked at those they were near $2k. I don’t think you could do any better under $2k.

Enjoy the gun.
 
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