So why are mags so expensive?

The cost of mags today vs about 4 years ago no contest at all.

Look at Saskatoon Gun Works prices for DH mags i think.

Even Questar dropped the prices from high 30's to 21.99 for PMags right now stop complaining.
 
10 rifles... lets say at 2 K each... that's 20 K in inventory sitting there.
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Rifles $20,000
HST $2600 (not paid by US dealers)
Freight $150 (3 x the price paid by US dealers)
Brokerage $60 ( not paid by the US dealers)
Export Permit $250 (not paid by US dealers)
Currency exchange $500 (not paid by US dealers)


You rifle cost just became $2333.50 instead of $2000


The importer does get the $2600 HST back, after most of the rifles sell, or in 3 months. Whichever comes first, and providing he never buys more firearms, which would require more HST to be paid.

However the interest lost and the capital lost, as well as the loss of profits on buying and selling more goods, prevented by fronting the HST, is something for the accountant to figure out.

Not to mention the un measurable cost every so often of having items stuck in customs for a month or have goods siezed, or sent back and made to reship.

Then there is the measurable cost of when export permits are denied losing $250 and the time you put into the paperwork.
 
Farmboy said:
You rifle cost just became $2333.50 instead of $2000
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so you should still be able to price match US stores then...... after all, not like you are trying to make a living doing this..... i mean, your store costs you nothing, power, employees, time is all free. your exporter pins mags for free since the rivet is only $.02 and he has loads of free time on his hands.


so why do guns cost more here? f:P:
 
cr5 said:
There are still a few US retailers that will ship to Canada but they have to raise their prices to cover the cost of the export permits. Still cheaper than buying locally though.

I used to buy AR mags directly from Cproducts for around $15 each including shipping and now that the Gov has stepped in and added a bunch more restrictions and fees they no longer ship to Canada. Now the exact same mag is $45 from their Canadian distributor (Wolverine). That sounds like a reasonable mark up doesn't it?

When in Canada you just have to get used to being bent over the table and getting done without lube. They don't even give you a kiss when they're done with you.

That's the cost of having cool stuff here I guess. Free trade my ass:mad:
I'm just glad I stocked up on AR and 1911 mags last year.
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You obviously don't know what Free Trade is then.
 
cr5 said:
True to a certain extent but it isn't usually the individual retail outlet that brings them in and has to front the cash for 50 rifles or 200 AR mags. There is an importer that brings in a bunch of them and then spreads them out throughout the rest of Canada. So the retailer only really needs to front for 5-10 of them which isn't much risk. Especially since we are for the most part talking about high demand items like black rifles and accessories.

Does the price of a Remington 700 series rifle triple in price to get to us in Canada? Seems like it's the cool stuff that gets the special treatment and has the magic import cost multiplier.
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There are numerous things you're not taking in to account. Firstly, just for the importers cost... it's more for them to buy the rifles from the manufacturer than is is for a U.S. based distributor. The key here is volume. While a Canadian importer/distributor might buy, say, 500 units of a gun, a U.S. one would buy 5-10k units. This fact alone leads to higher prices on the Canadian side due to higher importer/distributor costs. When you add on the extra costs of actually importing the firearms, and the additional costs associated with running a business here in Canada (meaning higher markups are required by both importers and retail stores), it's completely understandable as to why they cost more up here.
 
Ar180shooter said:
So... When are you going to import them, pin them, sell them for $6 each and make your fortune?
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you know the realy scary part... $5-6 for a AR mag is MSRP; hell are army only pays a little over $5 a mag on a ####ty army contract. And thats with a minimuim 30% mark up from the manufacture, and then another markup for the MSRP so the dealer can make money. I wonder how much a stamped steel AR mag truly costs to make.

I would wager if you inported enough direct from the manufacture you could offer AR mags at $10-12 a pop and still pull in good cash.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
you know the realy scary part... $5-6 for a AR mag is MSRP; hell are army only pays a little over $5 a mag on a s**tty army contract. And thats with a minimuim 30% mark up from the manufacture, and then another markup for the MSRP so the dealer can make money. I wonder how much a stamped steel AR mag truly costs to make.

I would wager if you inported enough direct from the manufacture you could offer AR mags at $10-12 a pop and still pull in good cash.
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Then speak with your wallet and do it. I'll buy them at $10-$12/piece. Saskatoon gunworks did bring in a bunch of cheap mags a while ago, they were going for under $20/mag.

Also, where are you seeing AR mags for $5 in the U.S. and $55 here? The cheapest I've found is $10/mag, and those were on sale at Brownells (normally $15). Also, PMags that go for $13 in the states go for around $23 up here... hardly the difference in price that you claim.
 
nemesisincanada said:
Export permits are $200
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yes but what consumers dont realise is that 200.00 permit could allow you to import thousands of mags under one permit and not nescearily all in the same order either it applies the same to firearms you can have an export permit for say 10 000 rifles even if you only intend to import 100
 
Why does everybody assume that all products come from the U.S?

Easier to complain about all the additional costs they have to incur I guess.

Lots of off-shore countries making AR stuff. That is were lots of it comes from anyway.

If you always order from the same distributor(s), how much time or paperwork is there?
I refuse to listen to the 'my time' line. Paperwork is part of owning a business.
 
TheGamer### said:
I think a lot of price marking has to do with the "unobtanium" status for us Canadians... and the US doesnt like to share either.
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That is why no one sells the Remington R15's or R25's. They are a great Rifle and only $1100 and $1400. Funny thing is...they are priced the same as in the U.S. That PROVES AR's can be sold at PAR!
S&W M&P 15 should also be par.

When they take a $1300USD Rifle and say....'Oh, this is hard to get....$2300CDN"
We should NOT buy it and tell them to get lost



But like the dealers say

"Don't like it? Start your own business... we welcome the competition"

Luke
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Well, No. They don't like competition. It eats into their Margins.
If I am sell $2100 AR's.....then have to lower them to $1800 because someone else brings in the same manufacturer. I would not be happy.
If someone starts selling $1000 AR's....I would be pissed.
 
rivetc78 said:
That is why no one sells the Remington R15's or R25's. They are a great Rifle and only $1100 and $1400. Funny thing is...they are priced the same as in the U.S. That PROVES AR's can be sold at PAR!
S&W M&P 15 should also be par.

When they take a $1300USD Rifle and say....'Oh, this is hard to get....$2300CDN"
We should NOT buy it and tell them to get lost





Well, No. They don't like competition. It eats into their Margins.
If I am sell $2100 AR's.....then have to lower them to $1800 because someone else brings in the same manufacturer. I would not be happy.
If someone starts selling $1000 AR's....I would be pissed.
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Remington R-15's and R-25's are chambered from the factory in .223 and .308, not 5.56 and 7.62, do not come from the factory with flash hiders or collapsible stocks. This makes them infinitely easier to get out of the U.S. than, say, a LaRue OBR or Colt 6920. Also don't overlook the economy of volume with these things too... It's a lot easier for a big company already buying thousands of guns from Remington to get a decent price on 800 of Remingtons re-branded DPMS rifles than it is for a company like One Shot who is bringing in 5-10 KAC rifles.

Apart from the difficulties and costs associated with actually getting the "scary black rifles" out of the U.S., there are the increased costs of doing business in Canada. Mind you, I've already mentioned this... but instead of actually responding to it, you ignore it and continue the whine fest.

Also, why the dealers continually welcome people to start up their own businesses and charge half what they do for the same item is because they know that they won't be able to do it, as they are nothing but armchair commandos. Unless you aren't all talk... and if that is the case, when are the $1000 Colt 6920's coming in? I'll take 2.
 
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