A person can only drive one vehicle at a time having 4 wont make more pollution. How is eating beef and meat bad? I still think Canadas contribution to pollution is small compared to China. Is there a simple comparison? Like number of vehicles and factories. What are the biggest makers of pollution?
So why are none of us Hunters talking about the 30 x 30 Intiative?
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I’m always intrigued whenever people criticize our standard of living in the west. I’m not saying we don’t have lavish lifestyles compared to 3rd world countries, but do they actually make the “necessary” sacrifices themselves, or just expect everyone else to live a meager existence. Rules for thee and not for me comes to mind.
China and India dwarf the rest of the world in pollution. Our greenness always come whinging back with "per capita we pollute more". And we drive cars, heat homes, cook food, produce move goods, and farm. All sins in their eyes. It really has become a religion, with its own zealots. - dan
I watch it all, except infowars, don't know that one but it's likely good if you mock it lol. Best you start getting informed then. Thank you for finally saying in a round about way that you are manipulated rather than informed. Either that or you're part of the bad in this world currently being exposed. Going with manipulated. You've been on one leg in this conversation the entire time. Hey, they just lit Quebec on fire, all at once lol...totally natural, nothing to see here, business is going to be good for you as long as they same criminals in charge. So carry on mocking the informed people to try and stay as comfortable as you can on that precarious perch. It's going to be a hard landing for you.
only the first line of that last reply was for you, you don't say much so don't need to give you much, you just provided an easy opportunity to air out the latest observations for those reading and absorbing as much info here as possible so they can process it to their own conclusions
we're unpacking a lot here because 30x30 is tied to a lot, that means multiple topics, multiple runs into the ditch to see the weeds etc., you have no interest in keeping up or adding value, just stick up for the couple guys here on their very precarious perches
Ardent
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It’s not four cars per person and only driving one, it’s that we have four times as many cars per person as the Chinese, and even more than that ratio compared to India. We have just under 1 car per person, china has 1 car per 4 people or less. Even if it were four cars per person, those aren’t string free to build in resources used, and emissions to make the steel and plastics.
While some say we can’t look at our own consumption and China and India are the problem, the problem lies in them aspiring to live the heavy consumption life we do. We’d need five earths of resources to elevate everyone to our ‘standard’ of living (consumption). I do feel we should do better. Saying we shouldn’t even think about it because we live here and take part is like saying don’t ever vote, there’s no point and it’s all going to happen anyways.
Again, I do feel climate change is a runaway train. I feel we’re at a triage point on our planet, and they best thing we can do is work to protect high value habitat and protect biodiversity and wilderness from rampant resource extraction. I had a constant battle against logging and mining exploration applications in my tenure, and when I showed up in person to lodge my protest was politely dismissed.
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As a guy that spends a lot of time flying over the country, what effect do you think that beetle kill has had on the increasing prevalence of forest fires in BC? I remember when I got to the Williams Lake country over 20 years ago beetle kill was a relatively new thing but the mills weren't taking it which left huge tracts of pine dead standing. Are there still large areas of dead standing, or blowdown, beetle kill? That seems like it would definitely contribute to making for some hot fires.
Ardent
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Yea it’s a big factor in interior fires. It’s viewed as cleanup, and rightly left to burn, long as it’s not threatening people’s homes and property which it often does needless to say. Unfortunately it takes the mature Douglas fir stands interspersed with it out too that would otherwise be very fire resistant.
The beetles need -30 for a week to freeze kill, which is getting rarer and rarer, and that line’s pushing further and further north as things warm up. The other thing with beetle kill is it only burns one way; big. Green trees will actually burn better initially believe it or not, the oils and moisture in them flash off and burn readily when they’re heat stressed. It takes more to get a beetle kill fire going, but once it takes hold it’s got one speed.
Talk is cheap. Out of curiosity what have you done to limit consumption in your life? Cut meat out of your diet? Stopped using plastics? Limit of 1 vehicle per household? How about them nasty fossil fuels? Let’s hear it. Lead by example, right?
Fire is bad lol that’s why californium burns all the time (####ty practices for many decades)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire_in_ecosystems
Lots of hypocrisy in this thread
Has the Lytton fire been conclusively linked to railways? There has only been speculation, last I heard.
The Transportation Safety Board found no links to train or railway activity, and I don't believe an official cause has ever been released.
All that seems to be agreed upon is that the fire was human caused. Most wildfires are human caused, often intentionally and often maliciously.
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It's just that we're bad, that's all. The whole world is a victim of European colonialism. Before the Europeans came along all other cultures were exemplary stewards of their environments. Everyone knows that East Asians eat a lot of fish and seafood in general, which is why they treat their waters with such dignity that puts us to shame. We should be sending them cheques as well, in gratitude, in addition to the foreign aid we send to countries like China, who's economy is ten times larger than ours.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-chinas-expanding-fishing-fleet-is-depleting-worlds-oceans
Canada is a huge and mostly cold country, with a low population. It makes sense that per capita we use more energy.
But Canadians could all stop driving cars and it wouldn't make a difference globally, so per capita is pretty irrelevant.
It's because China has a huge population and Canada has a small population.
China is a huge source of pollution, Canada is a drop in the ocean.
