So why are none of us Hunters talking about the 30 x 30 Intiative?

Show me one. Or am I just to believe? Show me real evidence that 2000-2023 is warmer than 1900-1922 or 1920-1942. You won't because you can't because it isn't.

My weather gage is the snow depth on the mountains where I live, 20' to hardly any. Our newer ski hill Mt Washington used to get the most snow out of all the ski hills in BC, it doesn't anymore and hasn't for many years now.
 
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Less snow is a potential sign of cooling as cold air holds less moisture.

2011 a record was set there. https://www.comoxvalleyrecord.com/news/record-snowfall-for-mount-washington/

So if it's colder how come the ponds don't freeze over like they used to. We could skate on the ponds here, it doesn't happen much anymore. Our old ski hill "Forbidden Plateau" shut down, it doesn't get enough snow up there now. People can deny it all they want, I've lived here most of my life and can see the changes. With all the floods and fires throughout the rest of BC and beyond it seems obvious to me. I don't need some scientist telling me so.
 
So if it's colder how come the ponds don't freeze over like they used to. We could skate on the ponds here, it doesn't happen much anymore. Our old ski hill "Forbidden Plateau" shut down, it doesn't get enough snow up there now. People can deny it all they want, I've lived here most of my life and can see the changes. With all the floods and fires throughout the rest of BC and beyond it seems obvious to me. I don't need some scientist telling me so.

12 years ago your example got "record snowfall". Twelve!
 
winters here are lasting until may...... just like all the old timers here remember after 20 or years of "warming"
they closed our little ski hill 20 years ago almost.... now there's talk of trying to find funding to re-open it.
our lakes are still putting on a solid 3 feet of ice every year after a couple decades of 2feet

The climate is changing for sure..... and us technologically advanced people (from even 100 years ago) have all kinds of new science out there..... all kinds of it is bought and paid for science too.
Some are crying the sky is falling because of the vast changes "in out lifetime"..... LOL It's only obvious to you because of the "science" that wasn't availlable 100 years ago.
Everyone is ignoring the volcanologists and everyone is ignoring the astronomers and those who study the sun and earth's orbit.
All that is left out of the data that is convincing the easliy persuaded that man kind is earth's biggest danger and if we pay enough $$$$ to the government in carbon tax..... the world is going to "correct itself" LOL
It's so bloody ridiculous it's laughable.
Yes we absolutely need to stop polluting out world , every dummy knows that.
However, the current "heating trends" and the massive flucutations in the jet stream have very valid explantions and they don't involve human beings and thier greenhouse gasses at all.

I'm gonna live my life and not worry about any of it except for what is costs me financially. Families are being ruined because of the left's "carbon taxes". Young people can't afford basic transportation because of carbon taxes and the price of fuel. Employers are crying for workers since covid and I hear everyone grumbling that young people don't want to work anymore...... news flash.... they can't afford to get to work LOL

I challenge you all to go spend some time learning about the sun, its current state and the earth's position in relation to the sun and it's current state.
Then go study the Volcanic activity and the gross metric tonnes of particulate and toxic gasses released by the major events of the last 100 years.
if you seriously investigate these ucontrollable events and still want to swallow the climate change fanatic's message the "you the consumer" can change or stop or slow climate change...... there is no prize for collossal gullibillity.
 
Yet nobody has taken up my
weather station challenge... wonder why...

It's not easy to see long term trends from environment Canada's historical weather site, but this report has summarized some of it nicely.

Go to page 27/28, and of the 8 stations shown, all 8 have increasing average air temperatures over the last 100 years.

Again, what does this all mean and what should we do? Another topic entirely and up to some debate, but the fact that things are getting warmer is not (with some exceptions, I dont doubt). Hope this helps.

https://publications.gc.ca/site/arc...n_2022/mpo-dfo/fs70-5/Fs70-5-2022-016-eng.pdf
 
It's not easy to see long term trends from environment Canada's historical weather site, but this report has summarized some of it nicely.

Go to page 27/28, and of the 8 stations shown, all 8 have increasing average air temperatures over the last 100 years.

Again, what does this all mean and what should we do? Another topic entirely and up to some debate, but the fact that things are getting warmer is not (with some exceptions, I dont doubt). Hope this helps.

https://publications.gc.ca/site/arc...n_2022/mpo-dfo/fs70-5/Fs70-5-2022-016-eng.pdf

Nice try, but these are actually composites for different weather stations, for example, the weather station in Charlottetown, PEI operated from 1872 to 1934. The data from later is from different weather stations, "adjusted and homogenized" the paper says.

It is fraud to claim there is data from a single weather station from 1872 to present.
 
Nice try, but these are actually composites for different weather stations, for example, the weather station in Charlottetown, PEI operated from 1872 to 1934. The data from later is from different weather stations, "adjusted and homogenized" the paper says.

It is fraud to claim there is data from a single weather station from 1872 to present.

Ok, probably the best long term data we have anyways. Nobody has claimed it is perfect, and very few long term datasets of any kind are without flaws.

All 8 - adjusted, homogenized or not, all show similar trends.
 
12 years ago your example got "record snowfall". Twelve!

Record snow for as long as they've been keeping records, I didn't read it all however it could be a record for as long as it's been a ski hill which isn't that long. There is no way that we get more snow here now than we did years ago, not even close imo. Others can believe what they want. It won't matter to me in my lifetime.
 
Ok, probably the best long term data we have anyways. Nobody has claimed it is perfect, and very few long term datasets of any kind are without flaws.

All 8 - adjusted, homogenized or not, all show similar trends.

Science doesn't work that way. What's the temperature today at the 1872 Charlottetown weather station? Right, no one knows, but the claim is that it is not just warmer, but substantially warmer. It's fraud, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Science doesn't work that way. What's the temperature today at the 1872 Charlottetown weather station? Right, no one knows, but the claim is that it is not just warmer, but substantially warmer. It's fraud, nothing more, nothing less.

Ok, it seems you may feel pretty strongly about this, and that's fine. I really don't, just providing some info. I found 8 examples that you asked for after about 5 minutes of research.

Science, by the way, is often not perfect but is based on analysis of a body of evidence. Anything is subject to change in light of new information (kind of the whole idea is to be repeatable). It is certainly nowhere near as simple as calling an entire idea "fraud" because of an inconsistency with a singular (or multiple) data collection point. Especially when all of the info is publicly available with no attempt to hide anything.

Edit: I'm open to having a look at any of the evidence of recent climate cooling you may be aware of.
 
One really needs to torture these numbers for the last 25 years to claim it is warming.

Just gotta believe harder that Global Warming isn't a load of BS.


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We can all google answers to justify our positions, that’s the internet’s greatest disservice to humanity. And I certainly include myself, it’s clear none of us are changing others’ minds. I’d still enjoy sharing a coffee with all but one or two in this argument, many very good friends hold very different positions than I do. Unfortunately a couple have said go to school to learn about this, I did for four years, almost 20 years ago. Things haven’t improved in that time.

I’ll say from my personal observations fire fighting has become nearly my entire living, I’ve never been busier, and I’d never flown in 49.7C until 2021. I’ve also never started a season earlier than this one, and I fought fire into November last year which is unheard of. The best indicator of warming is ocean temps as it’s the largest heat sink on the planet, they’re rising with no debate, we have satellites for that and a dearth of data. People say a half a degree or a degree is nothing, when they have no concept of how much energy it takes to achieve that. That’s more energy than 5 nuclear weapons per second to achieve the rate of warming we’re managing.

Glaciers and the rate of recession also indicate well the rate change is occurring, all easily visible to citizens. Static and many growing prior to 1900, massive recessions since mid 20th century. See the Columbia Icefield, which I flew over on my way to fires at the beginning of the month, receded enormous distances in the last 20 years leaving a giant empty trough to show it, it’s now a long hike from the parking lot to the ice when it was right there as a kid. Same for Stewart BC, have watched that too. Saw it in the Andes too as mentioned.

The debate shouldn’t be if it’s happening, it should be how much it matters. As time goes on it’s becoming more and more undeniable as fire seasons expand and heat records are broken, and glaciers disappear. I remain more concerned with conservation of wilderness, as I see climate change as a runaway train which we have little control over as a country of 40 million. The best angle is to preserve wild habitat, as that is achievable. That’s all 30x30 is, 30% of wild land protected and left as such by 2030. That benefits hunters, and humanity. It’s not some haywire conspiracy theory tied into Q bull####.
 
That’s all 30x30 is, 30% of wild land protected and left as such by 2030. That benefits hunters, and humanity. It’s not some haywire conspiracy theory tied into Q bull####.

Making assumptions again from an already programmed state of mind against anyone who has other beliefs and views on a given subject or group of subjects than whatever 'official narrative' comes from a tv. I don't do Q btw but that was similar to assuming I do weed. How many times do you need to learn that lesson about trying to make a message go away by attacking the messengers? It doesn't work anymore. You just expose your position and show your bias and programming, projection, gaslighting etc.

Many of us that can see this scam now, and various other scams, connected the dots on our own...it's never been easier. Pick your subject and dig in. There's so many right now. They will all take you to the same place...the foxes are running the henhouse, criminals in charge for a long long time. So carry on with your programmed prejudices then. Anyone reading this can process the info and disinfo and make their own judgements. It's not hard to start fires bud. These a-holes have done much worse to get us to believe whatever it is they want us to believe next. (welcome to the last 3 years!, starting a few fires is a drop in the bucket compared to that)

The group you keep going after was right about every single step of the last 3 years and you still won't acknowledge that for one second will you? It will shatter your world to face that fear won't it? Yes it will. The journey to the truth is the heaviest load most of our generation will ever have to carry. You're either good bad or manipulated. Jury's still out on you but optimistic you'll dig in and see why the one group was right and most importantly...how the other group was wrong. Lots of psychological stuff to learn about, it's not really about the topics anymore, figure out how and why one group was wrong the past 3 years and the one that was right was ridiculed and attacked. Heck you're still doing that ridiculing and attacking...you're manipulated to do that fyi...figure out why and how it works and why you feel the way you do about it. Humanity is counting on you to get this right, should be clear by now that something is afoot and you need to learn about some different things to explain the past 3 years. Chop chop
 
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I hear ya, and am sure we probably agree on more things hunting related than disagree.

All im saying is often those international agreements mean next to nothing. In this case I think the gov was just trying to look good on the big stage (its all appearances after all) while simply taking credit for and building on what was already happening in canada... if I'm wrong about that I'm certainly open to changing my mind.

Thank you for that. That's the best way to approach all this 100%. Getting people to this point is much harder than it sounds because of the psychological factors at play. We've been conditioned to accept and parrot whatever narrative comes from the microphone which is 100% govt. controlled and on top of that we're conditioned to reject any other information or viewpoints and even ridicule and attack those views and those speaking them.

How to quantify that? There are no more debates from the microphone, hasn't been any differing opinions for probably 30 years that I can look back on from the news, you get only one view point from every network, every radio station, that's how you know it's propaganda...always one story. Not realistic. Not what journalism or media was ever intended to be. The real news is happening between the people now, like right here and now. ;)
 
Blakey, I’m attacking the message. The message is absurd, that the world is run by a shadow cabal with sinister plans and if you believe everything presented to you about how the world works is an illusion, you’re not one of the sheep.

I’ve met some of these guys, Harper, Singh, some billionaires… they are just humans. Coworkers flew Trudeau on a ski trip, he was just a dude out of his depth too. They came away saying they’d have a beer with him but never want a guy like that running a country. These were not perfectly manicured stage performances to continue the illusion, just humans.

You keep talking about opening your mind to the ‘truth’. It’s just like the moon landings, with all the hundreds of thousands of people in the supply chain to make it happen, it was harder to fake it than just actually do the landings. All of it was built, thousands witnessed the launches, the landers were built and are visible to anyone who wants to go see them. They flew to the moon’s orbit as can be proven by the photos by anyone with a $200 spotting scope off their back deck.

Moral is… sometimes, the truth is as simple as it appears. It’s much of the time the most sensible answer.
 
This has been a fun read, had to double check I hadn't strayed into Off Topics...As far as 30x30 goes, ocean preserves increase the amount of fish caught in neighbouring unprotected areas. As much as 30% protections might upset people, it would benefit other living things quite a bit. Also, what's wrong with leaving a bit of wild space for our children?

And an image for sh!ts and giggles...

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