So you want a SA M1A....because you think it'll be better than a Norc M14s (m305)

I know where you're coming from Sam, but considering the fact that a massive amount of SA INC parts are cast in Brazil and other "foreign" countries, the current SA INC M1A could perhaps be better described as "ASSEMBLED" in the USA rather than "MADE IN THE USA"

I'll grant you that a lot of crap is coming out of China, but the Norinco M-14S isn't one of them. Unlike the SA INC M1A, we get a forged receiver that is well within mil-spec, whereas with the M1A you get a cast receiver that 9 times out of 10 is NOT within mil-spec. As a result, it is difficult, and at times impossible, to correctly mount a scope base, etc...

For the money, I'd much prefer to mod out a Norinco and get the equivalent to a true USGI NM configured/accurized M-14 than a stock M1A that can't compete with an out-of-box Norinco to begin with.

It isn't reverse "snobbery" either, I'm solely interested in performance, and there are better choices out there than the SA INC.
 
Good point I wish I had an answer but I dont.

Good to talk with yall.

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Yes, notice how the gun lobby who "fights for your second amendment rights" has done nothing to enable you to buy the firearms of your choice? I am exactly talking about the import ban. The lobbyists fought the AWB with great enthusiasm but were mum on the import clause. I wonder who pays their bills...could it be the domestic industry?
 
And that is the reason my last 2 builds used Norinco M14 recievers and all USGI parts hanging from Douglas Hvy NM barrels. I could not trust that the SA Inc recievers would be worth the money and potential heartache.

One thing is for sure, the Kommunists got this M14 right even if the rear sights are KRAP (easily remedied, just scope your rifle) and the Chu wood stock is great for starting fires. I keep telling all of you not to buy ONE.

Buy TWO of the damn things... Better yet, buy a 3rd and leave it mint after converting the other 2 into bush guns or door kicker SOPMOD, CHOPMOD or Jungle Carbines.

And like Lazerus2000, I'll still fix all of your Sproingfields and not tell anyone on this forum. Actually, I have owned more USGI M14's (5 of them) than I have Spring (whoops) Sproingfields (3 of them). I cannot muster up the $ 2000 in order to have my heart broken again. I owned my M1A's back in 1986- 87 -89 when they did not have any lifetime warranty. I was the warranty guy for 3 of us competitors since nobody knew how to tweak them except my NRA High Power coach and yours truly.

Luckily we could find USGI TRW made bolts for all of $ 35 (in the wrap) and USGI 20 round magazines for all of $ 10 here at local Taranah gun shows. I even remember finding complete BRAND NEW gas cylinders for $ 30. Op rods ran about $ 50 new or used.

These op rods were so cheap that I kept a spare in my rucksack and shooting stool. One day at an NRA High Power match a buddy's M1A went "Sproingggg" in the middle of a 300 yard rapid fire string. Turns out that his op rod broke right at that weld on the op rod where the op rod handle joins the op rod cylinder (take your M14 out of the stock and look closely).

I grabbed my spare op rod (HRT made) and installed it into his SuperMatch M1A. He reshot that match with said Alibi.

After the match I inspected his op rod.... sure a snot, his op rod was a Geneseo cast part. And now I've got this story to tell you. Back in the '80's we could buy and shoot all those USGI M14's being dumped by Israel on us. God bless the IDF for the surplus bangsticks. Their loss, our gain.

So you M1A owners, I'll fix your M1A's when they break. After all my years of Service Rifle shooting, the only ones I've had to rescue are the Geneseo made parts. It will just cost you a steak !!

Cheers,
Barney
 
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This thread will answer any of your questions regarding potential build up projects. Is it worth the extra few thousand bucks ? Heck no... buy yourself a nice 6.5 x 284 Savage F class rifle if you want a super accurate boomstick for super cheap !!

I'm saying this because I don't want to see you dudes spend your hard earned $ 1.07 (USD today :D) dollars towards projects that you will never recover your money from.

Save your money !! :evil: Buy a couple of Norinco 1911's ha ha ha
 
This thread is still going ... HOLY moly ... ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. my Springfield banged up a tuktu(caribou) yesterday at about 300 yards ... I love my shooter ... My Norky is still waiting to be chopped into a project rifle ... ;) ;) ... I have the best of both worlds ... :D
 
This thread is still going ... HOLY moly ... ;)

Otokiak
Rankin Inlet, NU
CANADA

p.s. my Springfield banged up a tuktu(caribou) yesterday at about 300 yards ... I love my shooter ... My Norky is still waiting to be chopped into a project rifle ... ;) ;) ... I have the best of both worlds ... :D

And I did dropped a bull moose last year with my ugly sh*tty Springfield M1A Super Match... ;) :cheers:
 
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Polytech M14S receivers were why I joined this forum. I am hoping US Laws change soon so I can get one of these bad boys. Right now, a used plain Polytech go for about $800 US.
 
eric... buy all the niw usgi parts you can (because you can down there)...... in hopes one day your dreams come true :D
silly rules up here for lotsa stuff too but i'm glad we can get the norc's
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eric... buy all the niw usgi parts you can (because you can down there)...... in hopes one day your dreams come true :D
silly rules up here for lotsa stuff too but i'm glad we can get the norc's
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I am getting out of the M14 game. If I had Poly's and Norcs available I would stay in it. I had a LRB M25 Receiver that I sold because the cost to build it up was not worth it to me. USGI parts are getting more expensive and are slowly drying up. About 3 years ago you could get a USGI bolt for $75 (US), now they go for $200 (within a day of the ad).

For now, when I do decide pick up another M14/M1A, I will just go Springfield, and take whatever they have to offer. If I had New in Box Polytech's available for $800 (US) I would go that route. You guys are so lucky you get them for $400 (CDN).
 
I picked up a NIB Poly earlier this year for $850.00 ~ it's still in the wrapper :D



Yes, real USGI parts are selling for big $$ - thankfully ChiCom parts (trigger groups and op rods) are
available down here for less $ and SEI is slowly bringing new parts to market.

I will never again buy a new Springfield M1A.
 
I picked up a NIB Poly earlier this year for $850.00 ~ it's still in the wrapper :D



Yes, real USGI parts are selling for big $$ - thankfully ChiCom parts (trigger groups and op rods) are
available down here for less $ and SEI is slowly bringing new parts to market.

I will never again buy a new Springfield M1A.


that's sweet but I want a new model Canadian one. The older models you may have the soft bolt issue.

I knew a gunsmith back in NH that saw 3 blowups and he swore they were garbage and that he would never work on them. Back then they did not know the soft bolt was the issue.
 
So, assuming I want a USA made/assembled model. Who carries them here? If not here, then who would ship to Canada (yes, Questar would do the paerwork). And finally, how much would I be looking at at the end of the day, or the one year it will take?
 
So, assuming I want a USA made/assembled model. Who carries them here? If not here, then who would ship to Canada (yes, Questar would do the paerwork). And finally, how much would I be looking at at the end of the day, or the one year it will take?

No go on an actual M14. Already inquired about importing one. Firearms Canada shot that down before I could finish the sentence.
Would have a Smith Enterprise in my hand right now if I could.

AF
 
"No go on an actual M14. Already inquired about importing one. Firearms Canada shot that down before I could finish the sentence.
Would have a Smith Enterprise in my hand right now if I could."


I mean a straight up non-restricted model.
 
So, assuming I want a USA made/assembled model. Who carries them here? If not here, then who would ship to Canada (yes, Questar would do the paerwork). And finally, how much would I be looking at at the end of the day, or the one year it will take?

I would contact Questar, I think they have some Springfield Armory M1A available.
 
"No go on an actual M14. Already inquired about importing one. Firearms Canada shot that down before I could finish the sentence.
Would have a Smith Enterprise in my hand right now if I could."


I mean a straight up non-restricted model.

They don't seem to get that an M14 can also be a semi-auto only.
If I'm mistaken I hope someone corrects me but no matter what I said to these people they said NO to importing a firearm with a receiver stamped M14 from the US into Canada. Made it perfectly clear it was NOT the switchable to auto version.

AF
 
When talking to the CFC you need to ask about the M1A. This is Springfield Armory's version of the "civilian" (semiauto only) M14. There are many in Canada already and are still being imported. I can't remember off the top of my head but if you look around there are many Canadian stores that sell new Springfields. But again, Why would you want to?

I think the only reason I would even consider buying a Springfield Armory is for the 16" version but it is restricted. If I wanted a restricted 308 semiauto I would buy an AR10.
 
I think ot comes down to someone spending some time on the phone with the CFC, probably lots of time to educate them.
As our new Norinco M14s's that are brought into Canada as the M305 are actually listed in all my resgistration papers as an M14s. So.....that means the M14s can be brought in, it's just time and money.

Some have mentioned the SEI rifles, new ones are made using the LRB recievers which are nicely marked as M14SA or as the new M25.
So I think if someone wants one they will have to send the CFC information documents......like information that LRB put together for the ATF.

GG&FB
 
I just spent a day at a gunshow with three CHINESE M-14 rifles for sale on my table.

My neighbor at the show had an OLDER Springfield Armory M1A SUPER MATCH rifle on his table, as well as a boodle of GENUINE USGI Parts and US made SEI and SA aftermarket parts.

That OLD SA Supermatch was one of the last all US made M1A type rifles, where the receiver was carefully built by experienced US craftsmen, and Genuine USGI M-14 parts were carefully fitted. It had a Macmillan stock and heavy SS barrel, and represents a fine example [ about as good as you can get ] of a US built firearm ...
way better than anything that Sproingfield turns out today [ CAST parts from various offshore suppliers and a out of spec receiver CAST in Canada ]

My neighbor was asking $ 3500 for his SA Supermatch, which is actually a bit below market value. As a fact, I sold one almost identical in year 2000 for way more than that.

I was asking $ 650 for one of my "mildly tweaked" Chinese M-14 rifles. In talking things over with my neighbor, and with the various customers who came along, the consensus was that the SA Supermatch was worth what he was asking, and the Chinese rifles I was selling for $ 650 were a bargain.

BUT,
as a matter of fact,
one of my mildly tweaked Chinese "piece of crap" M14 rifles will shoot better than his SA supermatch.

And you know what?

When you buy an M-14 that I have tweaked, I will guarantee it personally. And you can deal with me personally.

When you buy a US MADE Sproingfield, IN THEORY, they also guarantee their work, but in the real world, their repair service SUCKS BIG TIME. You will wait MONTHS for a repair, and may have to send the thing back several times for another go around, till the highly paid US "?CRAFTSMEN?" get it right. Don't believe me? Go on any US M-14 forum and read the litany of SA "quality control" stories.

The ONE and only real advantage of the SA built rifle, is that you can take it down into the US for matches, and you can't do that with a Chinese built rifle.
But this is more about protectionary US laws protecting decadent US industries that are simply uncompetitive in todays world markets, than it is about ensuring "quality".

So you tell me,
why would anyone pay THAT MUCH more for the priviledge of owning a GENUINE made in the US firearm?

PS: If you are typing your e-mails on a IBM computer newer than three years old, then you are working on a CHINESE built computer. That's right folks ... good ol' IBM [ the epitomy of US Capitalism ] gave up trying to compete with the Chinese on the hardware side of their businerss, and sold it to the Chinese.

No wonder the US economy is in such trouble ... the Chinese own most of it, and could pull the plug any time it suited them by merely converting their US dollars into Gold or Canucklehead bucks.

Wait a minute ...
maybe that is their long term plan after all??

TINFOIL HAT TIME
[ Moderator please don't mistake this for RACISM as I am {probably} just kiddin']

I am not worried about Chinese "?communist?" slave labor so much as I am about these so called "communists" out finessing the US at the Capitalist game.

I think the US has already lost the war on terror, and effectively lost WW III, which it turned out was fought, not with nukes, but with the other favorite weapon of the US, $$$$$.

OOPS,
it is too late for our generation,
but you might still have time to sign your kids up for Mandarin classes ...
or else they won't be getting any promotions from their new Chinese bosses.

So enough with the Chinese bashing ...
since you are most likely doing it on a Chinese built computer, I wouldn't be a bit surpised if the clever little yellow devils hadn't built in a hardware Trojan Horse system to keep track of people like you. Who knows ... maybe they already have your name on a list?
[;{)
LAZ 1

Hungry here: Nope, no racism here. I'm with you on the Xhinese built komputers and their financing of the OIF conflict. That's why our $ is so strong. I agree with your analysis on having yer kids sign up for Mandarin classes, the Kommunists are becoming an economic powerhouse whether we like it or not. Hey, I need a new wireless mouse soon....likely made in China !
 
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