SOCOM Abandons plans for a 45ACP!

9mm-Suppository said:
They love to start things and never finish them dont they...

OICW
Commanche chopper
XM15
etc...

They're all great ideas but they realized they can't afford it when they look at this chart.

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interesting side by side comparison of two HKs; the USP, and the HK45. The slide appears to sit lower, or be shorter, and the grip of the Hk45 appears to allow the user to get a higher grip.

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ilovepotatos said:
Perfection? The only thing that could be even closely considered to perfection would be an H&K firearm, or the 1911.

Drugs are bad, Mmm'kay? HK's USP line is based on the HP, and so are all of the top selling best made autos today, the only guns based off 1911's are other 1911's.

Rohann said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't SEAL units as well as some SF units get issued the Mk23 already?

As I understand it is a mission specific gun and not issued to everyone. Unless the mission requires a supressed pistol they usally dont opt for an oversized pistol.
 
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I've handled my friend's MK23 when I was in Seattle. That thing is HUGE! I hope all SEAL team members have big enough sized hands to handle it. It was about as uncomfortable for my little hands as Desert Eagle was.
 
IM_Lugger said:
*Everyone and their grandma makes a 1911; which had evolved/ improved over the years, but BHP is the same as it was in ~80 yers ago
Can you name a single significant improvement since the A1 variation (which predates the BHP by about 10 years)?

The BHP may be an old design but that doesn't necessarily make it outdated. When it comes to semi-automatic handguns, most of the innovation in the last 70 or so years has been related to increasing capacity and decreasing weight. The core functionality has changed very little.
 
Can you name a single significant improvement since the A1 variation
OK, lowerd and flared ejection port, bevertail grip safety, ambi safety.

do these look the same to anyone?
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When it comes to semi-automatic handguns, most of the innovation in the last 70 or so years has been related to increasing capacity and decreasing weight. The core functionality has changed very little.
you forgot improving reliability...also what about DA/SA and DAO designs?
 
IM_Lugger said:
OK, lowerd and flared ejection port, bevertail grip safety, ambi safety.
All of those are very minor changes.

IM_Lugger said:
you forgot improving reliability...also what about DA/SA and DAO designs?
I'm not convinced that the average pistol manufactured today is any more reliable than the average pistol manufactured in 1911...I was looking at a WWI-era Colt 1911 the other day and the level of workmanship was quite impressive.

With regards to double action triggers...I wouldn't exactly describe them as "improvements" as they serve only one purpose – to reduce accidental shootings by police officers.
 
lowered ejection port is clearly an example of a design improvement... which is what you ask me for.

You said functionality hasn't changed much which is why I mentioned DAO and DA/SA -- they don't function the same as SA auto. I din't say anything about double action triggers being improvements ...

they serve only one purpose – to reduce accidental shootings by police officers.
I don't think that's the reason why DA/SA was invented... it's like with revolvers; DA/SA is a more advanced design than SA, you don't have to like DA more and it may not always be better, but it doesn't chanage the fact that it's a more advanced design.
 
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gushulak said:
1911? Maybe after a few months after a gunsmith, even then I would never trust my life to it. Another outdated design.
What a load of BS. The 1911 had been in service longer than any other pistol. The US military still has WWII era 1911's that soldiers (special forces, actually) trust their lives to on a daily basis. Just because there are tons of low quality Colt clones out there doesn't make the original design "bad".
 
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