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walleyed99 said:
2.5 MOA at 200 yards with cheap surplus Norc copper wash is not what I would call CRAPTACULAR. I would in fact say not too shabby, IMHO..... And if that was with open sights pretty damn good. Anyone else think not?
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Not open sights....if I did that, I wouldn't be able to see the target sheet at all (bad eyes). I had a 3-9x40mm on there. Also, this was off a bench, so pretty controlled environment with a lot of variables taken out. Haha, and I'd also like to reiterate that was the best I've managed, I can't say that those figures can be consistantly reproduced. I'll try some nice ammo through there next time and see if I can get it do perform like that consistantly. I had a buddy of mine who threw his Norc M14 into a Troy Chassis, then he proceeded to shoot a 3 round cloverleaf with Norc ammo. Everyone on the line that day agreed it was an anomoly and it would never happen again. They were right, haha!
 
You're thinking of 1 MOA with a stock 18.5" barrel? Good luck.
200 meters is too close to be thinking about bullet drop and there are no calculations to do at 200. You do need to know how/where your rifle shoots though.
Good ammo is essential if you want MOA groups at any distance. Think 169 grain match bullets with IMR4064 out to 600 yards. 175 grain match bullets past there. Norc ammo isn't loaded for accuracy either.
 
For off the shelf ammo I have always found federal power shok 150gr to shoot very well from most norinco barrels I've fired it thru. That number would be in the 100's of rifles.
We're not talking "match performance" here, but it's a good ammo to test your chinese rifle's accuracy at 100 before , during and after the basic accuracy/reliabilty mods.
 
By changing the oprod guide, for a Match fluted or not quality, you bring in the equation heavy bullets, 175,180,185 gr bullets wont hurt the rifle with a quality oprod guide, this could help accuracy...
I will try 168GMM, 175 GMM, 170 Lapua Lockbase, 155 Lapua Scenars 155 Hornady Match, 178 gr Amax...
One of them ought to give me a slighter smaller group... Trial and error is great for a finding... JP.
 
Op rod guide, or op rod spring guide?

Personally, I'm not firing anything beyond 175gr unless it's subsonic.
168gr is usually the heaviest I shoot.
 
The cheap oprod spring guide can bend with heavy bullets, by putting a quality one the problem is solved... JP.
 
There sure are a lot of miconceptions out there LOL
The rifle itself is design for bullet weights between 147 and 174 gr. Using heavier bullets exceeds the design parameters of the rifles recoil system. This can jam pistons in the protruted position, damaging the cylinder, bend oprods and I suppose in an extreme case where the oprod leaves it's track it "might" bend the spring guide... But that's one I've not heard of.
The only way to enable a diet of over 174gr would be to make gas system mods.
Sadlak industries has had the NM grooved piston on the market for a number of years. Short of an adjustable gas plug, it would be the only upgrade that I've seen that claims to enable use of plus 174gr.

Spring guide rods have zero to do with enabling use of heavy bullets

The two threads going right now on making a norinco into a good shooter without breaking the bank or buying a 2K+ rifle with a fancy name have left me somewhat inspired to prove it to you all.
I'm gonna order a new box stock rifle and document it step by step and keep it under 1000.00
 
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You are mixing up op rod guide, op rod spring guide, and grooved PISTON. The aftermarket grooved gas piston allows you to go with heavier pills. Aftermarket spring guide gives the spring more support for accurate function. Your op rod guide must be aligned and sturdy again, for accurate function.

45acp beat me to it but ya..
 
45ACPKING said:
The two threads going right now on making a norinco into a good shooter without breaking the bank or buying a 2K+ rifle with a fancy name have left me somewhat inspired to prove it to you all.
I'm gonna order a new box stock rifle and document it step by step and keep it under 1000.00
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Subscribed! :D
 
caramel said:
The cheap oprod spring guide can bend with heavy bullets...
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:confused: I have never, ever heard of a GI or other stamped spring guide bending with any bullet - never.

Adding a National Match Spring Guide improves the consistency and smooth motion of the operating rod which help reduce wear and increase rifle accuracy over the standard stamped GI guide. Also. the magazine catch on a National Match Spring Guide is usually better than what you find on a stamped guide.
 
Anyway, i had all this stuff laying around so i made a little fun project, i will go to end and see the result, it wont be the end of the world if is a bad shooter and if it's an ok shooter, it will make a nice rifle for one of my inlaw that want to shoot a SA rifle... JP.
 
45ACPKING said:
There sure are a lot of miconceptions out there LOL
The rifle itself is design for bullet weights between 147 and 174 gr. Using heavier bullets exceeds the design parameters of the rifles recoil system. This can jam pistons in the protruted position, damaging the cylinder, bend oprods and I suppose in an extreme case where the oprod leaves it's track it "might" bend the spring guide... But that's one I've not heard of.
The only way to enable a diet of over 174gr would be to make gas system mods.
Sadlak industries has had the NM grooved piston on the market for a number of years. Short of an adjustable gas plug, it would be the only upgrade that I've seen that claims to enable use of plus 174gr.

Spring guide rods have zero to do with enabling use of heavy bullets

The two threads going right now on making a norinco into a good shooter without breaking the bank or buying a 2K+ rifle with a fancy name have left me somewhat inspired to prove it to you all.
I'm gonna order a new box stock rifle and document it step by step and keep it under 1000.00
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Umm.......you can experiment on my rifle :)
 
caramel said:
Anyway, i had all this stuff laying around so i made a little fun project, i will go to end and see the result, it wont be the end of the world if is a bad shooter and if it's an ok shooter, it will make a nice rifle for one of my inlaw that want to shoot a SA rifle... JP.
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hey dude, not trying to trash on your idea and thread, keep it coming, will be fun to see the results of your project :D
Pop has done some killer work on his on a budget, on the kitchen table and has shown some spectacular results.
I've done this professionally for going on 7 years and hope to match his results within the same basic parameters.
 
Today was range time with my DA Socom, overall, i shot 220 rounds with only one failure, (my fault, the mag was not clip correctly, this is not a precision rifle by all means but it is quite reliable and a very good value...
I decided to use my NM M1A 5/10 mag instead, they fit better ang not to long for nothing...
Groups with match ammo varied from 2.2 to 2.7 MOA...
The factory fodder Lapua HPS Lockbase got a 7 rounds group into 2.2 MOA... I also used GMM 168 and 175.. Copperwash stuff was used for the rest with an accuracy more around 4-5 MOA...
Socom/DE 44 mag/ 627 PC, it was a very good day at the range... Video and picture later on... JP.
 
I would advice getting NM M1A 5/10 mags they are superior and insure a total reliability with any M-14, all yesterday shots were with the NM mag, i would add it in the list for making an entry level rifle more reliable...
Here is a couple of videos on reliability... You get to have a little footage of 8 rounds of my 24 kt gold Desert agle 44 mag... JP. ( press on image)
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Pop said:
Cool vids! Where did you find the 5/10-rounder?
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Bought 2X SA NM M1A rifles (BNIB), did negociate with the dealer for 2 extras mags each, so all together i have 6 X 5/10 SA mag, one will stay with the Socom for reliability purpose, chinese mags are at best, very ordinary... JP.
 
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