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Hey everyone,

Trying to get a price on this. It was appraised about 10 years ago but the paper work was lost. And that was what it's 'worth' to the bank and not on here what it's 'worth' to a collector It’s a model 1912 Winchester in a 28 Gauge skeet version. Manufactured 1955. Everyting is original even bluing and wood and I’d say it’s anywhere from 90-95%. But that’s why I’m asking your opinions please. No alterations what so ever. (one knick in the wood front pump right side, a safe kiss right above the ejection port and a small detection of previous surface rust on the right side of the barrel right above the pump “all shown in the pictures as best I could”)The shotgun works and shoots flawlessly. The pictures actually make the gun look worse then she really in real life.

Thanks for you help,

Ramonmark

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Ramonmark,

Wow that is one really nice Model 12. You are lucky guy to have one in 28 gauge. Check the American web sites, and you might get a good estimate.

Felix Bedlan at Bedlan Sporting Goods might be able to help you. His email is: felix@bedlans.com. Google his gunshop in Fairbury Neberaska. He will be able to point you in the dright direction about the price of that beauty.
 
You sure ask a very tough one, an original model 12 in 28 ga is big big money to Americans, so much so that they get faked.
Even though you say it's original, it may have been a non-factory upgraded gun. Simmons did put ribs on aftermarket and by Winchester sending them to Simmons. It will take a real (American) model 12 expert to correctly value it for you. Bad news is the American market on collectible guns is on the downside, and worse in realizing
dollars in your pocket is we Canadians don't pay the stupid huge bucks like the Yankees.
Would you take $500. or $600 ? Looking for something in trade ?
 
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Very sweet M12 I must say... and if original would commend a good price by some. The stock does look refinished though as it appears very "glossy". Check out Dave Riffles Gun Page as well. He sells the best of the best and they are priced accoringly. Again nice gun.
 
This is a rare and valuable gun. For a Winchester Model 12 collector it is the top of the heap providing it can be verified as original. My knowledge of Winchester pumps is limited but that rib does look factory.

My guess is that it would be worth between $3,000 and $5,000. Were it mine I'd be tempted to do the paperwork to get it into the U.S. where there is more demand.

Look for the 28 gauge Model 12s on this page to give you an idea of what people are asking for them.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Winchester-Model-12-Shotguns.cfm?cat_id=698&order=Price&start_row=1
 
in my opinin this gun is not 90% more like 75% and it does look like a simmons rib .it is a very nice gun and i would say that a 1000$ would be a going price .if you could find someone with that needed a 28 g to fill a gap that may get you more money but i dont think so in canada best of luck . i would be out hunting birds with this sweet shot gun DUTCH
 
mdl 12 28 gauge

one was sold last month at a local auction, it got $450 and that was an all time high, most 12 ga mdl 12's now go for $250 in ontario,bryan.
 
dutchhunter said:
in my opinin this gun is not 90% more like 75% and it does look like a simmons rib .it is a very nice gun and i would say that a 1000$ would be a going price .if you could find someone with that needed a 28 g to fill a gap that may get you more money but i dont think so in canada best of luck . i would be out hunting birds with this sweet shot gun DUTCH
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Same class as your 535.:D You don't hunt a puppy like that anymore unless you are-----, you can fill in the blank
 
bjsgear said:
one was sold last month at a local auction, it got $450 and that was an all time high, most 12 ga mdl 12's now go for $250 in ontario,bryan.
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Not quite the same. I know the gun you are talking about. It isn't an original Winchester but a Model 12 reproduction made in Japan by Miroku in the early 90s. They were marketed mostly under the Browning label although a few had Winchester markings.
 
My feeling is the rear stock has been refinished and the front is original as the checkering appears to be finished on the rear and does not appear to be Winchester finish, the front stock appears to be correct and checkering does not appear finished. Not sure on the rib, the posts don't look right for any Simmons I have had and the checkered wood normally is accompanied by a rib although the posts are not like any of my M12's so not sure on that one. I would guess it would fetch 1000 to 1200.
 
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My feeling is the rear stock has been refinished and the front is original as the checkering appears to be finished on the rear and does not appear to be Winchester finish, the front stock appears to be correct and checkering does not appear finished. Not sure on the rib, the posts don't look right for any Simmons I have had and the checkered wood normally is accompanied by a rib although the posts are not like any of my M12's so not sure on that one. I would guess it would fetch 1000 to 1200.
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I thought that about the stock too. As far as the rib goes not all Mod. 12 ribs were Simmons. Looks to be a factory milled rib. But it's hard to tell from the pic's.
 
I would have to agree on the opinion of the butt stock having some type of a Finnish applied to it where the edge of the butt stock and the butt plate meet there seems to be a bit of a rounded edge that being said not a big deal as for condition i would agree with the 75% evaluation the pluses donut post rib factory choke no cutts I would think in a strong market place $7000.-$9000.00
 
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Had a look on Gunsamerica appears the rib is correct, going price stateside appears to be 5-6000.00
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I'm no expert but from what I have learned with my own model 12's and superx1's over the years this gun is correct both rib and finish. After 1954 the special vent rib barrel from winchester on skeet guns became common also most of the simmons ribs had that stamped on them or later ones simmons patt pending. Lines were different also on the rib top vs winchester
Many think when they see finish in the checkering of an old winchester it was redone. True on many I guess but Not so on some models. For example the superx1 started assembly applying the finish as the last partt of the process , thus finish in checkering then switched to what is more common and deemed correct by many. However both could be correct pending serial number. I have owned brand new x1's both ways. I am not sure if this applies to model 12 also plus he is an original owner and I believe him when he says he didnot finish it.Most skeet guns were well kept from a finish perspective and didnot have to be redone.
My model 12 28ga was appraised at $5000 7 years ago state side and is only a field grade and yes even in canada I could have sold it for that on a couple of occasions. A 28ga original model 12 is a rare gun and this one in skeet grade like you say 7000-9000 min to the right collector.
Not having someone install a cutts on this over the years is huge.Most model 12 28ga I have run into have been butchered with a cutts which drops the value by half..
 
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I'm sure none of us are an expert either but collectively there is a good bit of knowledge coming out from the members.
Claybuster may have the best solution to realize the most bucks by exporting it to the states but as stated the market there is soft right now and is not going to bring historical high dollars.
3macs1, have you talked privately with the OP? There is no statement here by him that he is the original owner. Lol, when I first opened the pic links, I was looking for the end of the barrel for a cutts.
 
3macs1, have you talked privately with the OP? There is no statement here by him that he is the original owner. Lol, when I first opened the pic links, I was looking for the end of the barrel for a cutts.[/QUOTE]

Yes we talked through PM and agree 100% with claybuster. The cutts part I am positive on, see a cutts drop value by 1/2 that is from every winchester owner I have ever spoke to. Many of these 28ga for sale on the US sites in the 3500 -5000 range have cutts
 
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