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I had a M12 that I sold to a buddy of mine that had a Simmons rib installed .
it was a factory skeet model with a Cutts as well.
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it was a factory skeet model with a Cutts as well.
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It would be a lot easier to appreciate if one could see the barrel markings. In particular if there is no visable proof marking on the top of the receiver that lines up with the one on the barrel then it is probably an after market rib. If the one on the barrel is turned 90 degrees to the rib then it is factory.
Why would you not hunt with this gun and if you want to trade for my 535 no problem haha .it is a niice gun but it is meant to hunt with abd why woudl you compare it to a 535 in the first place . Guns are onbly worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay at a given time . I see nothing in my post to get you upset dutch
I was starting to worry about you. Normally I would be able to get a quick rise out of you but not this time
No one is upset just having some fun knowing how much you love that 535. I have to fix my 535 pump it rattles way too much side to side on the forearm.The model 12 is worth too much now to hunt with.
take care
Thanks for all your knowledge and help gents. I appreciate your honesty
3macs1. I talked to a certified collector state side and he too cautioned me to sell just the one if I (we my brother and I) have a total of 3 all with ordered serial numbers. Although, I don't mind parting with one if I'm still going to have one to use. He offered me 6500 with many pictures and minutes spent talking over the phone. He hasn't even handeled it either. Maybe it's just me but once a guy learns that something is sought after by others so much it kind of changes your mind a little bit. Still not sure what to do. Once again thanks for all the opinions and help gents, have a happy new year!
3macs1. I talked to a certified collector state side and he too cautioned me to sell just the one if I (we my brother and I) have a total of 3 all with ordered serial numbers. Although, I don't mind parting with one if I'm still going to have one to use. He offered me 6500 with many pictures and minutes spent talking over the phone. He hasn't even handeled it either. Maybe it's just me but once a guy learns that something is sought after by others so much it kind of changes your mind a little bit. Still not sure what to do. Once again thanks for all the opinions and help gents, have a happy new year!
Trapper,try a couple of others also before you sell. That link I gave you will have more names if you dig. We were not that far off. His offer of 6500 over the phone is at least 8000 in his hand or from others. He is just testing the waters with you I would have it evaluated two ways by at least three certified winchester appraisers. Price if I sell the one gun and a price if I sell you all three. I think you are going to lose about 5000 by seperating the three as a group.
A group I probally can safely say will never come up again and like I said before is going to be interest to a winchester museum. ( sorry I cannot spell). To own a vintage model 12 28 ga is rare to have three the same with serial numbers in sequence is unheard of. In my mind you just have to hook up with the right person. I am thinking 25-30K for the three.If you need one to use buy a new 1500.00 replicia
Don't jump regardless. take care and let us know someday what you decided. Happy holidays
Gerald, your definetly on the right track.
28 ga Model 12's are about the most faked out of all the M 12 gauges. I don't even know where to start, but most of you should already know the relationship Simmons had with Winchester, so I'll skip that part but Simmons bought the remaining 28 gauge barrels near the end of the pre-64 run of M 12's. Simmons did plenty of conversions from 16 ga and 20 ga into 28 ga. Even a proof mark in the correct spot on the barrel is not absolute because Simmons has the proof mark stamp from doing out of factory work for Winchester.
Winchester was looking for a cheaper way to provide a vented rib as their standard two pin milled rib had become too expensive to make because the rib posts were milled from the actual barrel stock. So they cut a deal with Simmons and paid Simmons for rights to use the rib Simmons had been suppling in their own aftermarket additions. Winchester had Simmons come to the Winchester Factory and instruct the proceedure of brazing on the rib posts. Simmons also did out of factory rib installs which are considered aftermarket and not a factory rib. These will have the Simmons name, address and patent about half way up the left side of the rib.
The most important proceedure to verify if it is an actual factory 28 ga and not a conversion is to remove the buttstock. Look closely at the end of the receiver, where the stock bolt stud screws into the receiver. It should have the gauge stamped there. Even if it's stamped 28, check the to see if it's a re-stamp. You'll need to compare the script of another 16 or 20 ga. The 16 ga, 20 ga and the 28 ga shared a common receiver. They'd swap out the neccessary components, barrel and receiver extension and you have a 28 gauge worth a considerable premium over the 16 and 20's.
When it comes to any 28 gauge M12 , and especially the high end models, Proceed With Caution.
Not on this gun. You guys have totally missed what was outlined in my response to trapper the OP.
The OP doesn't have one of these rare animals he has a set of three in consecuative serial numbers.
They are worth 25-30,000 min as a set of three in production order from the winchester dudes I talked to state side.
His dad ordered three so they could shoot sheet together with the same gun, two of the three he owns and his brother the third.
These are headed to a win musuem you watch
That was before he realised what it could mean in dollars to break them up.
We are just trying to help him and he is on the right track talking to the proper people state side that know their value and will pay him what they are worthregardless if he sells one ,three or none.
Don't make another personal attack on me for trying to help a board member.Sorry for taking control as you say but I am programmed that way There are leaders and followers in this world it has been 30 years since I was in the back roll.. Not to mention I was down this road with my own model 12 28ga and superx1's so I may not know a lot but was exposed to a little on collectable winchester shotguns.
Enough of that time for a rum. happy New year
I know we are friends
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I may have Led you astray but my grandfather ordered the guns through his buddy for him and his sons. Grandpa passed away and my father, myself and my brother used them and now that dad is gone we (my brother and I) have a 3rd not being used. Also why I'm reluctant on selling, it was dad's.
Fully understand why you are reluctant. Mine is just a field grade but was my grandfathers also and is going no where. My Dad was killed underground in 1978. He had quite a gun collection since we all shot shotgun all gauges competitively growing up, him and 3 boys. Be nothing to have 10 1100 12ga skeet/ trap guns in the locker at one time or 10 super x1. I locked his guns at Moms in the vault with one brothers who eventually sold all his to me and it is just this september I have sold off the 1st ones of Dad's on this site. The 1st one was hard to get rid of but made no sense to keep when I had so many the same. Some will never be sold however for any money like a 16ga wingmaster he bought me for my 14th birthday.
Money is not everything
take care and happy New year
That is probally right. Mine is just a field grade and was valued at 5000 I am going to say 7 years ago or so. Skeet are worth quite a bit more , much nicer wood , vent rib etc.
