Solve my Savage curiosity.
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... What shoots MOA day one will never impress me if the action is sloppy and the fit and finish is poor..... Because I know it will not shoot MOA down the road..... Because cutting corners in one area on your high end rifles likely means you did it elsewhere....
Pretty clear....if that wasn't what you meant then what?
I get you don't like them, but your ignorance is really over the top.
Yes, why can't you understand this?
As an aside ( and to interrupt the spitting contest ) after growing up around Lee Enfields ( had one WW2 German Mod 98... still there too ) I was amazed at the slop in a Mauser bolt actually. Mosin's too.
They lock up and shoot OK, I suppose. But they aren't tight by any means. Rosses now, we are talking smooth.
Savages seem pretty ugly to me, but I imagine they do the job. As far as tweeking them...you could REALLY build a Lada into a 4 x 4 monster, or just buy a Jeep.
Just saying..,
They lock up and shoot OK, I suppose. But they aren't tight by any means. Rosses now, we are talking smooth.
Savages seem pretty ugly to me, but I imagine they do the job. As far as tweeking them...you could REALLY build a Lada into a 4 x 4 monster, or just buy a Jeep.
Just saying..,
Not sure.... May be my genetics or my education?..... Dunno.....lol
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The Mauser was built for war. Tight isn't always good. A Rem 700/ Sauer/ Sako/Tikka/ Weatherby, or any action with tight tolerances that's really smooth will quit pretty quick when it has sand or dirt in the rails or action area. The Mauser is an excellent action for hunting that far exceeds any other bolt actions from a utilitarian and extreme use standpoint.
They can still be made pretty smooth while retaining their versatility.
Of course I'm not insinuating the Savage is on par with a Mauser just because it's sloppy.
The Mauser was built for war. Tight isn't always good. A Rem 700/ Sauer/ Sako/Tikka/ Weatherby, or any action with tight tolerances that's really smooth will quit pretty quick when it has sand or dirt in the rails or action area. The Mauser is an excellent action for hunting that far exceeds any other bolt actions from a utilitarian and extreme use standpoint.
They can still be made pretty smooth while retaining their versatility.
Of course I'm not insinuating the Savage is on par with a Mauser just because it's sloppy.
Oh, I kinda knew that already. Surprising that the LE is as tight and smooth as it is...for a battle rifle of course.
Kinda like comparing a Marlin Lever and a Winchester lever. Grab 'em and shake 'em like a Red Headed stepchild. Which rattles? The Winchester; which is more popular ironically. An old Marlin is so smooooth.
This analogy is a little off. What can I go buy that will match a savage with a good aftermarket barrel? A cooper maybe? Their test targets look pretty good.
To get top accuracy you need the best barrels. The savage is the quickest, cheapest way to get there.
It's still a Lada...er...Savage.
You can put Lipstick on a pig, but...it's still a pig.
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Who cares. Some of us want more than one desirable trait in a rifle.
Love my Savage Hog Hunter it's my go to bolt action.
Seriously, the Savage action is sloppy?
Cycle a Mossberg Patrol rifle if you want to see what slop is, while doing that check out the delicate shell stripper on the bolt.....
At the price point for a Savage rifle you get what you pay for, it gets the job done.
Don't expect it to be a high end shooter, just the same as you don't expect a high end rifle to just shoot okay.
Point is each to their own whatever works.
Seriously, the Savage action is sloppy?
Cycle a Mossberg Patrol rifle if you want to see what slop is, while doing that check out the delicate shell stripper on the bolt.....
At the price point for a Savage rifle you get what you pay for, it gets the job done.
Don't expect it to be a high end shooter, just the same as you don't expect a high end rifle to just shoot okay.
Point is each to their own whatever works.
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Until you step up to a Cooper (or similar "semi-custom") I really don't see all that much difference in appearance of today's bolt gun offerings whether it be Remington, Winchester, Ruger, Savage, Mossberg, Howa, etc. There are budget offerings in each brand as well as higher end offerings with corresponding levels of fit and finish.
What it comes down to is accuracy & reliability; and I believe the Savage has an edge in the accuracy department over other brands.
For me the true appeal of the Savage system is that I can swap the barrel (and bolt face) myself without the need of expensive machine tools. A factory barrel can only deliver accuracy to a certain level, even with tailored handloads. When you want to take accuracy to the next level you need an aftermarket barrel.
It's kinda Ford vs Chevy, or Roughriders vs Stampeders; it gives the working class something to vehemently argue about so they don't realize that the man in Ottawa is picking thier pockets.
What it comes down to is accuracy & reliability; and I believe the Savage has an edge in the accuracy department over other brands.
For me the true appeal of the Savage system is that I can swap the barrel (and bolt face) myself without the need of expensive machine tools. A factory barrel can only deliver accuracy to a certain level, even with tailored handloads. When you want to take accuracy to the next level you need an aftermarket barrel.
It's kinda Ford vs Chevy, or Roughriders vs Stampeders; it gives the working class something to vehemently argue about so they don't realize that the man in Ottawa is picking thier pockets.
I find a lot of the biggest detractors to today's Savage bolt action rifles are those that have never even shot one. I'm guilty of that kind of thing a bit too, today's Tikka hunting rifles although popular just don't do it for me. I've handled them but never shot one. Well one, but it was the Tikka tactical which is a few or six steps up from the T3s.
There is nothing wrong with disliking a rifle you haven't shot.... There are several important characteristics I look for in a hunting rifle, and accuracy is just one of them. If I pick up a rifle at a gun show or LGS, and the stock is flimsy, the action sloppy and the finish is poor I don't need to shoot it before knowing it isn't for me.
Nowhere does that say that sloppy bolt = poor accuracy even with a tight lock up.... What it says i sthat poor fit and finish and machining tolerances indicate the use of cheap parts and metals, in other words, that tight lock up isn't going to last very long either....
I bought an Axis just to see if I like the cartridge.... 7mm-08. Only thing around in that chambering I could find. Doesn't hurt that it's a $300 gun that I'll probably be able to sell for close to that down the road. It's not a bad rifle, better then I expected, light and points well for me....ergonomics are better then they appear lol.
I never liked the "double bolt head" on Savages, the accutrigger sucks every way imaginable, actions are unnecessarily long... The Axis is at least worth the low price. The higher priced Savages I'll never understand.... I would look at ANYTHING over a 10/12/14 etc....just too much suck for the $$. Lol
I never liked the "double bolt head" on Savages, the accutrigger sucks every way imaginable, actions are unnecessarily long... The Axis is at least worth the low price. The higher priced Savages I'll never understand.... I would look at ANYTHING over a 10/12/14 etc....just too much suck for the $$. Lol
