Some Alternative Advice For the Those Considering Their First Pistol Purchase

Garbage advice intended to validate the outdated DA/SA design. For starters a DA/SA gun is no more or less dangerous/safe than any other design. Safe operation and handling is entirely the responsibility of the user and has no bearing on the design. The DA/SA gun requires a decocker or manual safety which is another step to learn in the manual of arms. Learning to use either is no different than learning to keep your finger off the trigger and not pointing a firearm at objects you do not wish to destroy. The difference is that the last two are part of the fundamental four rules of firearms handling whereas the safety and decocker are design/make/model specific.

There's no doubt that a shooter who can master the often atrocious DA trigger pull and then the ultra light and often sloppy(lots of slack or take up) SA trigger pull is a shooter who has put in a lot of time and ammo to do so. Their fundamentals are often solid but the time and ammo spent to get there is high. I see no reason to spend such time and resources to learn an outdated system when simpler designs exist like striker fired guns. For the collector there is no argument either way. For the competitor and the MIL/LE users there absolutely is an argument against DA/SA(even SA as well) guns. Adding extra controls, steps and multiple trigger pull weights/feel is counter intuitive to simplifying the learning process. If people want to spend the time to learn a DA/SA go for it. I prefer to spend my time shooting and making hits, not struggling to do so.
 
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Garbage advice intended to validate the outdated DA/SA design. For starters a DA/SA gun is no more or less dangerous/safe than any other design. Safe operation and handling is entirely the responsibility of the user and has no bearing on the design. The DA/SA gun requires a decocker or manual safety which is another step to learn in the manual of arms. Learning to use either is no different than learning to keep your finger off the trigger and not pointing a firearm at objects you do not wish to destroy. The difference is that the last two are part of the fundamental four rules of firearms handling whereas the safety and decocker are design/make/model specific.

There's no doubt that a shooter who can master the often atrocious DA trigger pull and then the ultra light and often sloppy(lots of slack or take up) SA trigger pull is a shooter who has put in a lot of time and ammo to do so. Their fundamentals are often solid but the time and ammo spent to get there is high. I see no reason to spend such time and resources to learn an outdated system when simpler designs exist like striker fired guns. For the collector there is no argument either way. For the competitor and the MIL/LE users there absolutely is an argument against DA/SA(even SA as well) guns. Adding extra controls, steps and multiple trigger pull weights/feel is counter intuitive to simplifying the learning process. If people want to spend the time to learn a DA/SA go for it. I prefer to spend my time shooting and making hits, not struggling to do so.
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Not sure why you go so far out of your way to prove how little you know when you attempt to express yourself. However, it is nice to know we do have and ignore button.

Take Care

Bob
 
Thanks for the post. I enjoy them all da/sa, sao, striker, dao. Personally IMO the skill of a well rounded marksman is to be able to work the trigger on any style of gun, example Mr. Jerry Miculek.
 
Kidd X said:
Garbage advice intended to validate the outdated DA/SA design. For starters a DA/SA gun is no more or less dangerous/safe than any other design. Safe operation and handling is entirely the responsibility of the user and has no bearing on the design. The DA/SA gun requires a decocker or manual safety which is another step to learn in the manual of arms. Learning to use either is no different than learning to keep your finger off the trigger and not pointing a firearm at objects you do not wish to destroy. The difference is that the last two are part of the fundamental four rules of firearms handling whereas the safety and decocker are design/make/model specific.

There's no doubt that a shooter who can master the often atrocious DA trigger pull and then the ultra light and often sloppy(lots of slack or take up) SA trigger pull is a shooter who has put in a lot of time and ammo to do so. Their fundamentals are often solid but the time and ammo spent to get there is high. I see no reason to spend such time and resources to learn an outdated system when simpler designs exist like striker fired guns. For the collector there is no argument either way. For the competitor and the MIL/LE users there absolutely is an argument against DA/SA(even SA as well) guns. Adding extra controls, steps and multiple trigger pull weights/feel is counter intuitive to simplifying the learning process. If people want to spend the time to learn a DA/SA go for it. I prefer to spend my time shooting and making hits, not struggling to do so.
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You're wrong a lot of things there. Your bias towards striker fired guns is clear, and it's really the only thing you're using to formulate your point.

I'll just say one thing... Most of the people that don't like DA pistols, are people who don't know how to use them. I for one am more accurate with a 10lb DAO trigger than I am with my Glock with a 2lb trigger. This was the gun I learned on and it allowed me to develop exceptional trigger control. You don't get that with striker fired pistols. For the record, I own 4 Glocks so I don't have a bias at all.
 
Oh crap. Here I am without a Glock. I feel like crap with my DA/SA Shadow. :)

Canuck44: Thanks for posting. Some good info in those videos.
 
Not sure why you go so far out of your way to prove how little you know when you attempt to express yourself. However, it is nice to know we do have and ignore button.
Take Care
Bob
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Thanks for the post. I enjoy them all da/sa, sao, striker, dao. Personally IMO the skill of a well rounded marksman is to be able to work the trigger on any style of gun, example Mr. Jerry Miculek.
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You're wrong a lot of things there. Your bias towards striker fired guns is clear, and it's really the only thing you're using to formulate your point.
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For starters a DA/SA gun is no more or less dangerous/safe than any other design. Safe operation and handling is entirely the responsibility of the user and has no bearing on the design. The DA/SA gun requires a decocker or manual safety which is another step to learn in the manual of arms. Learning to use either is no different than learning to keep your finger off the trigger and not pointing a firearm at objects you do not wish to destroy. The difference is that the last two are part of the fundamental four rules of firearms handling whereas the safety and decocker are design/make/model specific.
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Firearms safety should be foremost in all shooters' minds. Be accurate, be fast, but most of all be safe. Know and live by Jeff Cooper's 4 Rules of Firearms safety plus learn how to shoot and handle your specific firearms safely.

Cooper's rules are the most basic and should generally keep the shooter and the public safe. The first video addresses additional safety concerns with regards to holstering your weapon, for example. Makes a lot of sense. Shooters must know and understand the design and inherent safety advantages and disadvantages of the specific firearm at hand. And then handle the firearm accordingly. There is no idiot-proof gun design.

Like riding a motorcycle or skydiving or engaging in potentially life-threatening activities, when shooting, one must have the proper knowledge, stay focused and always maintain his presence of mind. Accidents happen when the operator becomes absent minded, over-confident, complacent and careless.

As far as DA/SA, the second video is pretty much spot on. Its mostly a mental thing, the notion that DA/SA is more diffcult. If your shooting fundamentals are solid its not a big deal. DA/SA may be more challenging but with a little instruction and a little practice, DA/SA is really easy.
 
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